Now, take this seriously folks........it's not funny....... (reject, minority)

[Solon]

You think the American public will have the stomach for more losses in Iraq, never mind a take over of the whole middle East ?

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[Solon]

From CNN News:

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There have been 2,326 coalition deaths, 2,127 Americans, one Australian, 98 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, two Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Hungarian, 26 Italians, one Kazakh, one Latvian, 17 Poles, one Salvadoran, three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians in the war in Iraq as of December 2, 2005, according to a CNN count. (Graphical breakdown of casualties). The list below is the names of the soldiers, Marines, airmen, sailors and Coast Guardsmen whose deaths have been reported by their country's governments. At least 15,881 U.S. troops have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon. View casualties in the war in Afghanistan and examine U.S. war casualties dating back to the Revolutionary War.





Solon

[Ardent Listener]

Originally Posted by Solon

Sad to relate, but another ten marines were blown apart today by another massive bomb, I don't see things are going very right for the Allies...

Speaking of "mass slaughter"; it is already going on Michel.

[greatcalgarian]

Before the start of the Iraq war, there was a prediction that this war is going to be like the Vietnam war. In the Vietnam war, the enemies are indistinguishable from the ordinary people, they may be normal farmers, workers during the day, and turned into gurilla fighters whenever it is safe to do so. Those who disagreed with the comparison said that in Vietnam, there are lots of forest and jungles for them to hide and operate from. In Iraq, there were no such thing. However, it appeared that somehow, the insurgents are able to blend in with the ordinary people as well, even though there is no place for them to hide and fight a jungle war.

Secondly, same as in Vietnam, no one likes a puppet government supported by a foreign country. National pride is inherent everywhere. Hence any government supported by a foreign power is deemed to be a traitor, and more and more people will oppose to that government.

Hence Iraq is a war that can never be won by the US and coalition forces. US may have won the battle, and battles, but finally, US will have to withdraw from Iraq. It is a question of how to withdraw with honour, or looks like withdraw after winning the war.

Bush has too much pride to start the war and then end the war by admitting that it is a war that can never be won straight out. So he is just in the rhetoric of repeating "War is Just", "War is good for US, Americans", "War is good for world freedom", when he clearly recognized that this war is leading no where, and the longer the US remained in Iraq, the more terrorist is going to be created. Very sad. Should not have started the war at all.

Today, the unpleasant reality is that 150,000 US troops, who are dying at a rate of about 100 a month, are the Praetorian Guard for that radical-right theocracy. It is a regime that sponsors Shi'ite-led death squads carrying out assassinations from Basra (where freelance reporter Steven Vincent, himself murdered by such a unit, wrote that "hundreds" of former Ba'athists, secular leaders and Sunnis were being killed every month) to Baghdad. Scores of bodies of Sunnis regularly turn up shot to death, execution-style.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...articleId=1387

"Our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency, they are united against US forces, and we have become a catalyst for violence," Mr Murtha said at an emotional news conference in Washington.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4446884.stm

[almifkhar]

hmmmmm i wonder if this means that somewhere in the u.s. might just see a "terrorist attack"? kinda like spain england with the talks of leaving iraq and then boom there goes the bombs. after all bush's little war polls are in the toliet along with his overall job as president. seems like he needs another terrorist attack to get him back on top of the polls.

[Darkdale]

Originally Posted by almifkhar

hmmmmm i wonder if this means that somewhere in the u.s. might just see a "terrorist attack"? kinda like spain england with the talks of leaving iraq and then boom there goes the bombs. after all bush's little war polls are in the toliet along with his overall job as president. seems like he needs another terrorist attack to get him back on top of the polls.

It's kind of funny how flip you are about the possibility of another terror attack. Maybe one will happen at your house? maybe you are planning one yourself (secretly want to help Bush do you?)

I don't think we'll see another terror attack until the next president is in office. The terrorists know that Bush isn't a coward and that he won't back down. Another terror attack would just increase his resolve. The only people terrorists can scare are cowards and that's what they feed on... fear.

[michel]

I guess that's a valid point; but then, perhaps I could argue that England & Spain are much 'easier' targets, because travel into our countries are so much easier.


I hope for your sakes you are right; living in fear is awful. londoners put a brave face on after the first bombings, but the second lot (which didn't even 'work') made them wonder. they will still tell you that they are not afraid, but the traffic on the Underground railways has reduced.

[Darkdale]

Originally Posted by michel

I guess that's a valid point; but then, perhaps I could argue that England & Spain are much 'easier' targets, because travel into our countries are so much easier.


I hope for your sakes you are right; living in fear is awful. londoners put a brave face on after the first bombings, but the second lot (which didn't even 'work') made them wonder. they will still tell you that they are not afraid, but the traffic on the Underground railways has reduced.

Despite what you hear from our frightened and panicked media, most Americans aren't scared of a terrorists attack. We expect to be hit. We're at war. We just want to be fighting as hard as we can on the offense, so to lower the chance of another attack. But, I live just outside of DC. I expect an attack. I'm not scared of it. I won't be frightened by terrorists or terror attacks until I believe that the cowards in America are in control, because that is when things are going to get really bad. Once our enemies realize that the weakest of us are in charge, the attacks will come one after the other. This is how it works... if they think you are weak, they attack. It's smart warfare on their part.

[michel]

Originally Posted by Darkdale

Despite what you hear from our frightened and panicked media, most Americans aren't scared of a terrorists attack. We expect to be hit. We're at war. We just want to be fighting as hard as we can on the offense, so to lower the chance of another attack. But, I live just outside of DC. I expect an attack. I'm not scared of it. I won't be frightened by terrorists or terror attacks until I believe that the cowards in America are in control, because that is when things are going to get really bad. Once our enemies realize that the weakest of us are in charge, the attacks will come one after the other. This is how it works... if they think you are weak, they attack. It's smart warfare on their part.

Despite what you hear from our frightened and panicked media, most Americans aren't scared of a terrorists attack. We expect to be hit.

Frankly, I didn't realize that you too have the 'is it going to be us ?' bug over there; I would have thought America would be a very daunting Country to try and terrorise.............

[Darkdale]

Originally Posted by michel

Frankly, I didn't realize that you too have the 'is it going to be us ?' bug over there; I would have thought America would be a very daunting Country to try and terrorise.............

Our security over here is terrible. I'm shocked that we haven't been hit. If they wanted to hit us, they would have. I honestly believe it is the resolve of our president and our strength overseas that is keeping us safe. But if they do attack us, all it will do is bring us together and **** us off, and it just isn't smart to **** us off. (Note to terroristsWe're much less dangerous when we're more concerned with shopping than killing you.