Did invading iraq make us safer? (America, Adam)

[Scuba Pete]

There is no doubt that Osama is a menace. That he took credit for it is good enough for me.

There is also no doubt that Osama was not in Iraq.

Most of the "proof" you refer to is little more than urban legends masquerading as evidence and designed to drive traffic to those pathetic sites.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by TranceAm

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First some beyond a shadow of a doubt proof that Osame bin laden was behind it please.

And a little more then the sligh renaming by Fox AgiProp to "Usama Bin Laden"
For the slight slower one's "Usa Ma B in Laden". And "Laden" means trouble.

I just hate running with a "lynch mob" because someone said : He did it, but I can't show you the proof for all kinds of reasons. And it is for sure Unpatriotic to ask for it. (Not even after 4 years, and the capture of Afghanistan and Iraq, can the proof been shown that beyond a shadow of a doubt shows Bin Laden's guilt as was in possesion of the US government at the moment the war on terror was started. )
This all does matter, unless you are a strict believer of the 911 religion as preached by its preachers.

Until now, I have seen much proof, but they show other purpetrators then the police investigation wanted to reveal, or links to the crime the police wanted to follow. The security tapes that could show the Pentagon Impact from the gas station and the Hilton, are still secret... Why would that be if they only can confirm the governments story.. Unless, they do not confirm that. And I am not even considering the obviously planted evidence in the form of passport and luggage of Atta.

The heat that melted/softened steel in the WTC building? Of coarse one is free to "believe" that.. Even if other proof exists that counters that statement.
Maybe a look on this page will tell you more about the temp:
http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.ne...opic.php?t=523

The temp in the pentagon that burned metal plane parts, was not hot enough to destroy all human DNA of the persons aboard the plane. (Sadly My Dear Watson You can't have it both ways.)

Cellphone calls from a plane? Remember, there is no internal phone in a cage of faraday bathroom! Especially now that there are commercials out there that would make that possible with satellites.

With the proof at hand (freely availlable on the web), with the lies in plain 20/20 hindsight, one can come to the conclusion that OBL is the patsy (Maybe even voluntairy as an Emmanuel Goldstein.), and Israeli's together with controling parts of the American Government did 9/11. (Look at who benefits, from what is happening.)

So conclusion to "Did the invasion of the nation of Iraq make America safer from Osama Bin Laden?"

Depends wether the Americans have to be enraged again in his name, to rally blindly behind the leader<s> puppeteer to fullfill another part of the grand plan. After all 9/11 was nothing more then a move on a planetary chessboard.

TranceAm, if you don't believe that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks of 9/11, then perhaps you could start a thread on the topic, rather than get off topic in this one.

[Sunstone]

*MOD POST*

Get back on topic, folks.

[lousyskater]

invading Iraq has done everything but make us safer. in fact, i think that it has made us more open to attack then before. i mean, Osama himself said that if we didn't stop meddling in the middle east like we are now, there will be another attack.

[SK2005]

Originally Posted by lousyskater

invading Iraq has done everything but make us safer. in fact, i think that it has made us more open to attack then before. i mean, Osama himself said that if we didn't stop meddling in the middle east like we are now, there will be another attack.

I agree. I don't think that it has made us safer at all.

[No*s]

Simply put: No. We are less safe.

[Godless Dave]

Originally Posted by t3gah

If I'm not mistaken, Osama was doing alright financially without Iraq's help long before they imagined that there might be a connection to Sadam. But how many terrorists have been stopped when a country that was helping them got neutralized? Not many, in fact I think the number or answer is 'none'.

And remember, the CIA and the 9/11 commission both determined that Saddam never helped bin Laden or Al Qaeda.

[anders]

The world, not only the USA, is less safe now. The superpower has established that it is OK to starve, bomb and invade another country, and then stay after proof that there was no reason whatsoever for the war.

What an excellent excuse for, for example The People's Republic of China to invade Taiwan, and what an alibi for Russia, should it decide to annex former SSSR parts.

And not only the Muslim world is enraged (and wondering who's next), but the USA is losing old friends on nation-wide as well as individual levels.

[Jaiket]

I'm not an American so I don't really have a say. I just couldn't resist voting yes, I apologise but the YES box was calling me.

Besides if any Iraqis were planning to throw rocks (or some of those nice trees they've got) at the USA they will most likely think again now.

[Seyorni]

Originally Posted by truthseekingsoul

I'm not an American so I don't really have a say. I just couldn't resist voting yes, I apologise but the YES box was calling me.

Besides if any Iraqis were planning to throw rocks (or some of those nice trees they've got) at the USA they will most likely think again now.

As a British citizen your government also has a finger in the Iraqi pie, tsc. As far as I know there's still a contingent of the Black Watch there, so, vote away.

In re: the safety issue. A more effective way to generate suicidal rage in the Middle East against the "coalition powers" can hardly be imagined.