Curses! Voodoo Idiocy in Israel (ritual, mystic, mission, prophet)

[Jayhawker Soule]

Here's a despicable example of religious superstition at its worst ...

'Pulsa denura' invoked against Sharon

Far-right activists instigated a pulsa denura - Aramaic for 'lashes of fire' - death curse against Prime Minister Ariel Sharon last Thursday night in an effort to thwart the upcoming disengagement plan.

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Twenty married men, including rabbis and kabalists, participated in the ceremony. All 20, including Yosef Dayan - who instigated the same curse several months prior to the assassination of former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin - assembled at the gravesite, which is located near Safed.

Each man immersed himself in the mikve (ritual bath) before donning black garb and beginning to chant.

They had received permission to invoke the pulsa denura from a host of rabbis and kabalists, who said it was the appropriate time to resort to using the curse.

- see Jerusalem Post

[fromthe heart]

To me they don't sound like religious people...they seem to be flirting with things of Satan. I feel some things like this are from the dark side and do have powers within the rhelm of being Satanic. That does not mean God can not protect His own.

[jewscout]

They had received permission to invoke the pulsa denura from a host of rabbis and kabalists, who said it was the appropriate time to resort to using the curse.

folks, i don't think that's gonna help
just a thought...
oy vey

[sindbad5]

i think it's some kind of magic.
i don't no much about judism, but in islam magic is completly forbidden.
http://www.answers.com/topic/magic?method=6

[Seyorni]

What effect is this pulsa denura supposed to produce?

[michel]

A Pulsa Denura ceremony is supposed to lead to the death of the object of the ceremony.

Invoking the pulsa denura is a perilous undertaking, for if the ceremony is not performed in a strictly prescribed fashion, it can strike the conjurers themselves.
Before Rabin, the last person so cursed was Saddam Hussein. One day during the 1991 Gulf War, as Scuds rained down on Israel, a minyan of fasting kabbalists gathered at the tomb of the prophet Samuel just outside Jerusalem. There they entered a dark cave, where one of the holy men placed a copper tray on a rock and lit the 24 black candles he'd placed on it. As the mystics circled the candles, they chanted the curse seven times, calling on the angels not merely to visit death upon "Saddam the son of Sabha," but to ensure that his wife was given to another man.
According to a Talmudic discussion posted on Mesora:
If man did in fact have the ability to curse another person, this would mean that man has more power than God. It would also suggest that the world does not run by strict justice, as a foolish man may curse a wise sage, and the sage would be unjustly ruined. This however is not the case as God runs the world in accordance with justice and alone, while man is powerless.

From:- http://blogs.salon.com/0003494/2004/10/07.html

This isn't the way forward, but it does seem to indicate that the Jews are feeling that 'desperate times need desperate measures', in respect of the disingagement.
See the following for the connotations of the disingagement....

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1121912429817


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?
pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1122259872395

[Seyorni]

Ta, Michel. Voodoo indeed!

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by sindbad5

i think it's some kind of magic.
i don't no much about judism, but in islam magic is completly forbidden.
http://www.answers.com/topic/magic?method=6

magic is forbidden in judaism as well

i just call this stupid

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by jewscout

magic is forbidden in judaism as well

Really?

I do not mean to suggest that magic is not a part of Kabbalah. There are certainly many traditional Jewish stories that involve the use of hidden knowledge to affect the world in ways that could be described as magic. The Talmud and other sources ascribe supernatural activities to many great rabbis. Some rabbis pronounced a name of G-d and ascended into heaven to consult with the G-d and the angels on issues of great public concern. One scholar is said to have created an artificial man by reciting various names of G-d. Much later stories tell of a rabbi who created a man out of clay (a golem) and brought it to life by putting in its mouth a piece of paper with a name of G-d on it. However, this area of Kabbalah (if indeed it is more than mere legend) is not something that is practiced by the average Jew, or even the average rabbi. There are a number of stories that discourage the pursuit of such knowledge and power as dangerous and irresponsible. If you see any books on the subject of "practical kabbalah," you can safely dismiss them as not authentic Jewish tradition because, as these stories demonstrate, this kind of knowledge was traditionally thought to be far too dangerous to be distributed blindly to the masses.

- see Judaism 101

Those who engaged in the curse did not get the proceedure or chant from a fortune cookie.