The Swastika and the Crescent (virtual, America, preaching, churches)

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by sindbad5

what's the relation between Mufti and what we talk about here? give me an example of a well-known mufti saying there's no hollocust? Arabs- or Mufti as you say-, have nothing to do with the hollocust.

What amazing ignorance! According to christianactionforisrael.org ...

The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection

Arab leaders and media outlets have long been addicted to comparing Israel to the Nazi regime, while at the same time demeaning the extent of the Holocaust. This obsession with defaming and antagonizing the Jewish people and state was on full display in recent months and reached a crescendo – or rather nadir – the day before Pope John Paul II visited the Temple Mount during his Holy Land pilgrimage. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Sheikh Ekrima Sabri, just hours before hosting the Pope, gave a series of press interviews, first telling the AP: "The figure of 6 million Jews killed during the Holocaust is exaggerated and is used by the Israelis to gain international support… It's not my problem. Muslims didn't do anything on this issue. It's the doing of Hitler who hated the Jews," asserted the acid-tongued Mufti – a figure appointed by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. "Six million? It was a lot less," Sabri repeated for an Italian newspaper. "It's not my fault if Hitler hated the Jews. Anyway, they hate them just about everywhere." The Mufti finished the day with Reuters, charging, "We denounce all massacres, but I don't see why a certain massacre should be used for political gain and blackmail." However, as a matter of record, there was a well-documented, thriving relationship between the Arab/Muslim world and Nazi Germany, with perhaps the most significant figure linking Hitler to the Middle East being none other Sabri's very own predecessor, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini. Here is a brief review of that dark, overlooked chapter in history.

The Führer's Mufti: After World War I, the Great Powers of Europe jockeyed for influence in the Middle East's oil fields and trade routes, with France and Britain holding mandates throughout most of the region. In the 1930s, the fascist regimes that arose in Italy and Germany sought greater stakes in the area, and began courting Arab leaders to revolt against their British and French custodians. Among their many willing accomplices was Jerusalem Mufti Haj Amin el-Husseini, who fled Palestine after agitating against the British during the Arab Revolt of 1936-39. He found refuge in Iraq – another of Her Majesty's mandates – where he again topped the British most wanted list after helping pull the strings behind the Iraqi coup of 1941. The revolt in Baghdad was orchestrated by Hitler as part of a strategy to squeeze the region between the pincers of Rommel's troops in North Africa, German forces in the Caucuses and pro-Nazi forces in Iraq. However, in June 1941 British troops put down the rebellion and the Mufti escaped via Tehran to Italy and eventually to Berlin.
Arab Mufti Greets Nazis, 1944

Once in Berlin, the Mufti received an enthusiastic reception by the "Islamische Zentralinstitut" and the whole Islamic community of Germany, which welcomed him as the "Führer of the Arabic world." In an introductory speech, he called the Jews the "most fierce enemies of the Muslims" and an "ever corruptive element" in the world. Husseini soon became an honored guest of the Nazi leadership and met on several occasions with Hitler. He personally lobbied the Führer against the plan to let Jews leave Hungary, fearing they would immigrate to Palestine. He also strongly intervened when Adolf Eichman tried to cut a deal with the British government to exchange German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who also could have fled to Palestine. The Mufti's protests with the SS were successful, as the children were sent to death camps in Poland instead. One German officer noted in his journals that the Mufti would liked to have seen the Jews "preferably all killed." On a visit to Auschwitz, he reportedly admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently. Throughout the war, he appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic message to the Arab masses back home.

To show gratitude towards his hosts, in 1943 the Mufti travelled several times to Bosnia, where on orders of the SS he recruited the notorious "Hanjar troopers," a special Bosnian Waffen SS company which slaugh-tered 90% of Bosnia's Jews and burned countless Serbian churches and villages. These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler, who established a special Mullah Military school in Dresden.

The only condition the Mufti set for his help was that after Hitler won the war, the entire Jewish population in Palestine should be liquidated. After the war, Husseini fled to Switzerland and from there escaped via France to Cairo, were he was warmly received. The Mufti used funds received earlier from the Hilter regime to finance the Nazi-inspired Arab Liberation Army that terrorized Jews in Palestine.

The article continues here.

Similarly, in a post-9/11 article written by the Southern Poverty Law Center, we read ...,

The Swastika and the Crescent

In the wake of Sept. 11, new light is thrown on the international ties increasingly linking Muslim and neo-Nazi extremists

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Back to the Beginning

The roots of the Muslim Brotherhood — and, in many ways, the Nazi-Muslim axis — go back to the organization's formation in Egypt in 1928.

Marking the start of modern political Islam, or what is often referred to as "Islamic fundamentalism," the Brotherhood from the outset envisioned a time when an Islamic state would prevail in Egypt and other Arab countries, where the organization quickly established local branches.

The growth of the Muslim Brotherhood coincided with the rise of fascist movements in Europe — a parallel noted by Muhammad Sa'id al-'Ashmawy, former chief justice of Egypt's High Criminal Court.

Al-'Ashmawy decried "the perversion of Islam" and "the fascistic ideology" that infuses the world view of the Brothers, "their total (if not totalitarian) way of life ... [and] their fantastical reading of the Koran."

Youssef Nada, current board chairman of Al Taqwa, had joined the armed branch of the Muslim Brotherhood as a young man in Egypt during World War II. Nada and several of his cohorts in the Sunni Muslim fraternity were recruited by German military intelligence, which sought to undermine British colonial rule in the land of the sphinx.

Hassan al-Banna, the Egyptian schoolteacher who founded the Muslim Brotherhood, also collaborated with spies of the Third Reich.

Advocating a pan-Islamic insurgency in British-controlled Palestine, the Brotherhood proclaimed their support for the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al-Husseini, in the late 1930s.

The Grand Mufti, the preeminent religious figure among Palestinian Muslims, was the most notable Arab leader to seek an alliance with Nazi Germany, which was eager to extend its influence in the Middle East.

Although he loathed Arabs (he once described them as "lacquered half-apes who ought to be whipped"), Hitler understood that he and the Mufti shared the same rivals — the British, the Jews and the Communists.

Indicative of the old Arab adage, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," they met in Berlin, where the Mufti lived in exile during the war.

The Mufti agreed to help organize a special Muslim division of the Waffen SS. Powerful radio transmitters were put at the Mufti's disposal so that his pro-Axis propaganda could be heard throughout the Arab world.

A Mecca for Fascists

After the defeat of Nazi Germany, the Grand Mufti fled to Egypt. His arrival in 1946 was a precursor to a steady stream of Third Reich veterans who chose Cairo as a postwar hideout.

The Egyptian capital became a safe haven for several thousand Nazi fugitives, including former SS Captain Alois Brunner, Adolf Eichmann's chief deputy. Convicted in absentia for war crimes, Brunner would later reside in Damascus, where he served as a security advisor for the Syrian government.

Several American fascists visited the Middle East during this period, including Francis Parker Yockey, who made his way to Cairo in the summer of 1953, a year after the corrupt Egyptian monarchy was overthrown by a military coup.

The Brotherhood had played a major role in instigating the popular uprising that set the stage for the emergence of Col. Gamal Abdel Nasser as Egypt's new leader. But Nasser, who had little interest in mixing politics and religion, would subsequently have a falling out with the Islamic fundamentalist sect.

When Nasser wanted to overhaul Egypt's secret service, he asked the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency for assistance. But the U.S. government "found it highly impolitic to help him directly," CIA agent Miles Copeland recalled in a memoir.

So, the CIA instead secretly bankrolled more than 100 German espionage and military experts who trained Egyptian police and army units in the mid-1950s.

Again, the full article is available here.

[Scuba Pete]

Interesting read Deut.

I had always thought of South America as their almost exclusive hiding area. I had no idea that Cairo was that involved.

[fromthe heart]

Fasinating Deut 32.8...I didn't realize that! Thanks for sharing.

[Faminedynasty]

It is fascinating Duet. Maybe you just plain don't like arabs. I've learned this week from your threads that arabs are coke addicted drug dealing nazis with no legitamate claim to any lands who are responsible for every aspect of virtually every conflict. That's a lot to drop on a guy in a week, I'm still taking it all in. It's all very interesting, but to avoid looking like an extremist, throw in something about the horrific crimes of hispanics or blacks once in awhile. I mean, I'm sure you have the best intentions, but I think Lou Dobbs does too. And his ranting about mexicans destroying America every day makes him look...well, you know.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Faminedynasty

It is fascinating Duet. Maybe you just plain don't like arabs.

Or maybe I just plain don't like sinbad's revisionist antisemitism.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

Or maybe I just plain don't like sinbad's revisionist antisemitism.

you must spread more karma around....

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Faminedynasty

I've learned this week from your threads that arabs are coke addicted drug dealing nazis with no legitimate claim to any lands who are responsible for every aspect of virtually every conflict.

And I've learned from your threads that you prefer gross distortion and hyperbole to honest discussion. In this regard, at least, you and sinbad appear to have much in common. But, for the record:

• I do not believe that one can generalize about either Arabs or Muslims.
• I do not believe there there is no legitimate Arab claim to land.
• I do not believe that the Arab peoples in Israel and the disputed territories are responsible for every aspect of virtually every conflict.

And, more than all of the above, I do not believe that you have a clue as to the potential for a second holocaust in the region.

[Faminedynasty]

Hyperbole certainly is an outstanding tool for argument, or ridicule, or simply to point something out as the case may be. Amplify a thought, criticize an ideology, have a laugh. and I consider it a legitamate and honest tactic, even if you do not, and I don't especially care whether you do. I mean, when I distort and engage in hyperbole it is obviously my intent to make it obvious, while at the same time making a point. If you can't understand how that works, read some Hunter Thompson.
In regards to your three bulleted points, I never doubted that you felt that way, and I am glad you do. Kudos.

[jimbob]

Watch out Newsbot/warnbot, Deut is taking over your job