Confronting Islamic terrorism in the long term (moral, America, recall)

[Mr Spinkles]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

You mean her highly respecting any religion with the same God as hers and trying to change world governments to Divine Dictatorships? Hmm..

No, I mean exactly what I said.

Well, in Capitalism, there will always be the extremely poor and the extremely wealthy.

Correction: in capitalism, there will always be a relative division of wealth. "Extremely poor" is a relative term...the poorest third in the U.S. are relatively rich compared to people living in communist countries like Cuba and North Korea (which have a sharper contrast between rich and poor than we do). Remember, "A rising tide lifts all boats".

What are we forcing onto Iraq?

We aren't forcing anything on Iraq. It's impossible to "force" a nation to adopt democracy if they don't want it...they'll just use the democratic process to alter the constitution and become a dictatorship, if that's what they want. However, polls show most Iraqis (and Arabs in general) have strong democratic ideals and do want representative government with a free press and a seperate judiciary (although they are divided as to how large a role religion should play in government).

I hope a radical Communist country decides to take Bush out of power and establish a Communistic government, which they think will be better for the people than Capitalism. Which is totally true. Then we might start to understand how arrogant we are.

I think it would just show how arrogant it would be for someone to wish destruction upon his fellow countrymen just so he could say "I told you so".

You mean including us, of course. Right?

Right.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Mr_Spinkles

No, I mean exactly what I said.

Uh, the point I was trying to make was she wasn't being religiously tolerant. IE, explain how she is. o_o

Correction: in capitalism, there will always be a relative division of wealth. "Extremely poor" is a relative term...the poorest third in the U.S. are relatively rich compared to people living in communist countries like Cuba and North Korea (which have a sharper contrast between rich and poor than we do). Remember, "A rising tide lifts all boats".

Uh, regardless, we still have poverty, and a lot of it, and I suggest that Bush start trying to eliminate that and other problems in his own country before setting straight the ones of other countries.

We aren't forcing anything on Iraq. It's impossible to "force" a nation to adopt democracy if they don't want it...they'll just use the democratic process to alter the constitution and become a dictatorship, if that's what they want. However, polls show most Iraqis (and Arabs in general) have strong democratic ideals and do want representative government with a free press and a seperate judiciary (although they are divided as to how large a role religion should play in government).

We invaded their country, overthrew their government, and appointed leaders.

I think it would just show how arrogant it would be for someone to wish destruction upon his fellow countrymen just so he could say "I told you so".

Obviously, you don't know what a hyperbole is. Or a hypothetical situation. And that's not arrogant, it's dedicated.

Right.

Oh, good. I knew you were joking when you said "besides us, of course."

[Mr Spinkles]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Uh, the point I was trying to make was she wasn't being religiously tolerant. IE, explain how she is. o_o

This is what trishtrish said which I intended to commend:

i highly respect Islam. ...Love is what unites all people. when u meet a stranger, one usually doesn't discriminate his religion, but judges his character and how he treats or loves u and others.

Uh, regardless, we still have poverty, and a lot of it, and I suggest that Bush start trying to eliminate that and other problems in his own country before setting straight the ones of other countries.

Ok, a valid opinion. Getting back on topic: Do you think a democratic Middlea East will lead to less terrorism? How would you confront Islamic terrorism in the long term?

We invaded their country, overthrew their government, and appointed leaders.

We overthrew "their" government? Whose government? Most Iraqis despised Saddam...the only reason he remained in power is because he had them scared out of their minds. We appointed leaders to an interim government, yes...but eventually that government will step down and a new government will be elected by Iraqis themselves.

Obviously, you don't know what a hyperbole is. Or a hypothetical situation.

I do, I just didn't think yours was very constructive to our discussion.

And that's not arrogant, it's dedicated.

Dedicated? I thought you said it was just hyperbole...

Oh, good. I knew you were joking when you said "besides us, of course."

I wasn't joking, I was assuming the voice of those who come to power in said fashion. Sorry I kind of phrased it wierd.

[Runt]

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Just a friendly reminder that everyone needs to GET BACK ON TOPIC!

[Jaiket]

Originally Posted by Mr_Spinkles

Do you think a democratic Middlea East will lead to less terrorism? How would you confront Islamic terrorism in the long term?

Definitely, I believe a democratic Middle-East would lead to less terrorism. I would confront terrorism in the long run by encouraging a democratic revolution. The nations providing a breeding ground for Islamic terrorists have been excessively oppressive for so long. Maybe a system where people are able to prosper and the nations flourish would increase tolerance and peacefulness as this seems to be the case historically.

[Ardhanariswar]

maybe, but hey, most of them over there think democracy is corruption from the west. so, they get scared, then they get angry and then they blow them selves up in suicide attacks.

[Jaiket]

Originally Posted by Gerani1248

most of them over there think democracy is corruption from the west. so, they get scared, then they get angry and then they blow them selves up in suicide attacks.

They may be afraid that democracy will be freedom for US companies and rich natives, and that will probably make them angry. But if, as Mr. Spinkles said "a rising tide lifts all boats" then the Iraqi citizen will have no cause for anger (unreasonable anger that is) or suicide.

If democracy is not as forthcoming as the Iraqi people demand (since there is always the possibility of corruption, which I'd imagine is greater in a fledgling democracy) then they are most likely to be in a better position to take it for themselves.

[Mr Spinkles]

Gerani-- polls show that most Arabs favor democratic reform, despite how Arabs are portrayed in the media.

[Ardhanariswar]

Arabs? as in arabians? as in saudi arabia?

ya, lets hope so. personally im all for democracy. but in reality, no country likes it when they feel that other countries barge into theirs. india is a demorcracy. yet you see corrupt selfish leaders like jayalaitha (chief minister of tamil nadu) arrest karnadedi (her political rival) on something which no basis.

sigh. what a sad world.

i would really like to see US or the UN barge into china and free tibet. place the dalai lama in his much deserved and honored land!

[civilcynic]

I saw an interesting piece on tv last night where reporters were in an Arab community in Great Britain. They were asking individuals about their views of dmocracy for the Arab world. I was very surprised at their responses. Not one individual was supportive of democracy. All of them viewed it as a part of western civilization which they felt was in direct conflict with Islam. Each of the people interviewed basically said the same thing....(paraphrased) 'all we need is Islam...we do not need democracy. Islam provides us with our way of life including how to govern ourselves.'