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Old 07-15-2012, 07:58 PM
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Denmark is called, according to the Atlantic, the "Best Place to do Business", yet is "basically socialist".

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Various surveys have ranked it as the happiest place in the world and the best place to do business. It’s also basically socialist, and thus has a high level of income equality.
Why is the best place to do business "basically socialist"? Why is it the best place to do business? Is there a connection? Are they running a system that's not as rigged in favor of private interests as others? Or is this all propaganda and Denmark is really a terrible place to do business?
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Why is the best place to do business "basically socialist"? Why is it the best place to do business? Is there a connection?
Yes, I think there is.

At least looking at the differences between Canadian and American business climates, I think this American idea of "limited government" often creates a climate where new pieces of "government" are implemented piecemeal in an ad-hoc way, resulting in a system that's much more difficult to deal with than one that was planned out and implemented in a cohesive way from the start.

Also, strong government allows one government to limit the power of lower levels of government:

I've heard stories from American friends about the difficulties they go through starting and operating their businesses. One of my friends talked about what happened when he decided that his business needed more space - he found a place in the next township over, but when he started going through the procedure of moving his business there, it was a bureaucratic nightmare. He ended up giving up on that location and getting new space in a different county.

I thought this was nuts. When he was going through all the hoops that the new township was making him jump through, my reaction a lot of the time was "that's nuts! In Ontario, a township wouldn't be allowed to do that!"
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Denmark is a social democracy, not socialist per se.
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At least looking at the differences between Canadian and American business climates, I think this American idea of "limited government" often creates a climate where new pieces of "government" are implemented piecemeal in an ad-hoc way, resulting in a system that's much more difficult to deal with than one that was planned out and implemented in a cohesive way from the start.
There is much merit in what you say. But "limited government" is merely an obsolete old constitutional concept. The federal government has been continually eroding power of the state throughout the 20th century. We now have a dynamic & dysfunctional hybrid, which has yet to settle down & work out the bugs.


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I've heard stories from American friends about the difficulties they go through starting and operating their businesses. One of my friends talked about what happened when he decided that his business needed more space - he found a place in the next township over, but when he started going through the procedure of moving his business there, it was a bureaucratic nightmare. He ended up giving up on that location and getting new space in a different county.
I thought this was nuts. When he was going through all the hoops that the new township was making him jump through, my reaction a lot of the time was "that's nuts! In Ontario, a township wouldn't be allowed to do that!"
I've been thru that. State & local government are so unpredictable & unaccountable, that some business ventures only proceed when elections open a 4 year window of possibility. We combine the worst of anarchy & statism, causing our drop in worldwide rankings of economic liberty. Too many of us believe that because we've always had it easy, & have always done well that we're somehow entitled to success. It don't work dat way.
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Denmark is a social democracy, not socialist per se.
Denmark operates its government along the lines of a social democracy, for the most part. Social democracy is a type of socialism. Therefore, Denmark is, for the most part, a socialist country/state/government. I am a social democrat and a proud Marxist/Socialist, so I should know.
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Yeah the socialist Kingdom of Denmark.



And if you are a social democrat you cant be a marxist or socialist. But hey in america everything is possible isnt it?
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So why are most "Social Democracy" groups affiliated with the Socialist international? The founder of the movement was a Socialist, he just disagreed with Marx's method, he believed that eventually private enterprise would turn into co-ops.

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Most social democratic parties are affiliated with the Socialist International.[7] Social democracy in its current form was originally developed by revisionist Marxist Eduard Bernstein who opposed orthodox Marxism's support of revolution and class conflict, claiming that socialism could be achieved through evolutionary means via representative democracy and cooperation between people regardless of class.[8] Bernstein accepted the Marxist analysis that the creation of socialism is interconnected with the evolution of capitalism.[9] Bernstein claimed that a mixed economy of public, cooperative and private enterprise would be necessary for a long period of time before private enterprises would evolve of their own accord into cooperative enterprise.[8][10] Bernstein supported state ownership only for certain parts of the economy that could be best managed by the state, and he rejected a mass scale of state ownership as being too burdensome to be manageable.[8]
Denmark has a great deal of state-owned industries, while it's not necessarily total control, that in itself can be argued as "Socialist". I don't think Government control over every business is feasible either. Having a hand in them is another thing.

I cannot find too many sites that say Denmark isn't Socialist, and I can find plenty of sites ragging on Denmark's "Socialism", so this "Stupidity" is pretty widespread.
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You have to understand that over here, anything to the left of Republican is socialist.
Most policies that most Republicans support and don't question, such as Medicare/Caid, Public education, and such can be called "Socialist". Very few Republicans actually advocate eliminating those.
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Most policies that most Republicans support and don't question, such as Medicare/Caid, Public education, and such can be called "Socialist". Very few Republicans actually advocate eliminating those.
Thanks for illustrating the point.

None of those things are "socialist". They have absolutely nothing to do with cooperative ownership of the means of production and economic management.
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Hah! I call the Republicans socialist too.
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