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Old 05-29-2012, 08:15 AM
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Leftish, by your logic, would White nationalism be a scourge in Sweden?

Would Black nationalism be a scourge in American society?

(Note: I completely 110% agree with you on Israel and the "Palestinians", but its odd how many liberal Jews are so hostile to Jewish nationalism).
Yes. White Nationalism would be unacceptable in Sweden. It would be unacceptable anywhere. Lest we forget history, last time "white" Nationalists managed to take over a country, it resulted in a world war and the near extermination of the Jewish People.

Perhaps Swedish Nationalism - in the strictly civic sense - would be acceptable. I actually do believe Europe needs to learn to be more tolerant and more multicultural, and accomodate those who want to live here and embrace secular, Western values.
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And yet most countries do it. I am bit puzzeld why you don't understand actually.
Why i don't understand how sustaining a religious or racial identity can be desirable for any country?

Perhaps because i don't see the point of doing so?
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Why i don't understand how sustaining a religious or racial identity can be desirable for any country?

Perhaps because i don't see the point of doing so?
You did not answer my querstion.
Most countries in the world are based on a dominant ethnicity and a dominant religion. Do you really don't understand how this came to be?
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You did not answer my querstion.
It wasn't even a question.

I said :"i have trouble understanding how sustaining a religious or racial identity can be desirable for any country."

You replied :"I am bit puzzeld why you don't understand actually."

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Most countries in the world are based on a dominant ethnicity and a dominant religion. Do you really don't understand how this came to be?
Sure i do, as christianity is the dominant religion in Brazil. What i don't understand is, like i said: "how sustaining a religious or racial identity can be desirable for any country."
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You did not answer my querstion.
Most countries in the world are based on a dominant ethnicity and a dominant religion. Do you really don't understand how this came to be?
They are? Which ones, specifically? I can't think of any.

I can think of plenty that were agglomerations of several different ethnicities and religions that we now think of as a single culture, but this is the result of nation-building, not the cause of it.

I mean, take France: the name of the country comes from the Franks, but much of the country is Gallic in origin, not Frankish. Or Britain: even the term "Anglo-Saxon" points toward what I'm talking about. Back in the day, Angles and Saxons were very distinct cultures and ethnicities.
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Well, since we don't live on planet-utopia, surley you understand one or two things about self preservation, survival, economic interests or political interests.
First. I don't see what race has to do with it. Not all countries are based on race. Most are based on ethnicities. An ethnicity has centuries long shared historical experience, and these ethnicities have many realitistic interests to accomodate their ethnicity.
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Racism is not good for any nation or country, it can give us conflict or war but can't give peace. In general people expect peace.
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They are? Which ones, specifically? I can't think of any.
China, Japan, North African nations, Turkey, Arab nations, off the top of my head.

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I mean, take France: the name of the country comes from the Franks, but much of the country is Gallic in origin, not Frankish. Or Britain: even the term "Anglo-Saxon" points toward what I'm talking about. Back in the day, Angles and Saxons were very distinct cultures and ethnicities.
As far as I'm concerned today they are a collective ethnicity, and if the term ethnicity is not comfortable then use 'culture'.
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Well, since we don't live on planet-utopia, surley you understand one or two things about self preservation, survival, economic interests or political interests.
First. I don't see what race has to do with it. Not all countries are based on race. Most are based on ethnicities. An ethnicity has centuries long shared historical experience, and these ethnicities have many realitistic interests to accomodate their ethnicity.
Accomodate? I suspect we are not talking about the same thing.
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China, Japan, North African nations, Turkey, Arab nations, off the top of my head.


As far as I'm concerned today they are a collective ethnicity, and if the term ethnicity is not comfortable then use 'culture'.
Ask an Okinawan if he's the same culture as someone from mainland Japan, or a Uighur if China is one single culture.

But I think you're sidestepping my point: we consider these countries to be (generally) distinct cultures from their neighbours today because of the fact that they've lived as distinct nations as long as they have. It's not like they noted their shared culture and decided to make it the basis for a nation; they were disparate people who were brought together somewhat artificially, and who often shared more in common with people on the other side of the imaginary line than with their own countrymen... at least at the outset, if not today.
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