Shame on every Christian in Texas who (Jesus, testimony, gospel)

[Draka]

One simple little thing here...if a convicted axe murderer on death row is given clemency on the only basis of "finding religion" then should not all those in prison be given a "break" if they "find religion" no matter what religion it is??? To specifically give her clemency for "finding Christ" would cross the line between separation of church and state...it would show a favoring of a particular religion...illegal in this country. And giving people a "break" for "finding religion" after they committed horrendous crimes...I'm sorry...just wrong...TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. Whether they find religion in their own hearts they still must pay for their crimes and whether they pay in the afterlife as well, that is for them or their deity to decide.

[Enigmata]

The chance to do good by the law was given to him and he chose to kill.

Actually she chose to kill. There are way to many people in this world who use religion as a shield to keep from having to take responsibility for their actions. In granting this woman life in prison it would open up a brand new defense. "I'm sorry I killed all those innocent people but I believe in Jesus Christ now so everythings fine."

[retrorich]

Shame on every Christian in Texas who...

Originally Posted by Dr. Khan

Voted for GWBush for president myself included. We should have been able to see and indeed I did see and was still deceived by the religious rhetirec of the religious right.
Hypocrites elected a hypocrite to be president twice.
make all nations to worship him?

Right on, brother! Tell it like it is!

And the same goes my disgraceful state, Ohio, and all the other "red" states that voted for Bush and/or the same-sex marriage ban.

Frubals to you, Dr. Khan.

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by john313

Who was G.W. to argue with the great Paul of Tarsus

Please, I don't believe that George was agreeing with Paul by condemning this person to die. He was a PART of the government and not merely subjecting himself to it.

[thorswitch]

Originally Posted by Draka

One simple little thing here...if a convicted axe murderer on death row is given clemency on the only basis of "finding religion" then should not all those in prison be given a "break" if they "find religion" no matter what religion it is??? To specifically give her clemency for "finding Christ" would cross the line between separation of church and state...it would show a favoring of a particular religion...illegal in this country. And giving people a "break" for "finding religion" after they committed horrendous crimes...I'm sorry...just wrong...TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. Whether they find religion in their own hearts they still must pay for their crimes and whether they pay in the afterlife as well, that is for them or their deity to decide.

Agreed 100%! Plus, if "finding religion" becomes the new standard for being granted clemency, pretty much EVERYONE on death row will "find religion" - at least long enough to have their sentence commuted to life in prison. One big problem, of course, is that - especially in a closed society like a prison where your actions are already strictly limited - acting as if you have truly been redeemed wouldn't be all that difficult.

But as Draka noted, granting clemency simply because someone "found religion" would be a severe violation of the first amendment anti-establishment clause. One thing that the 1st amendment assures is that the government can neither favour one religion over another, nor can it favour the idea of religion in general over non-religion, and if becoming a religious person were to be made a rationale for granting clemency, the government would CLEARLY be elevating the idea of being religious over being non-religions, since being religious would equal life and being non-religious would equal death.

That said, even though I agree with Bush's decision to continue with Karla Faye's execution, I found his mocking of her prior to her execution to be abominable, and there are still PLENTY of example of his hypocrisy to make the original point a good one.

[Dr. Khan]

John 313
This is about cain and abel. In this thread I'm bringing the nature of this sitting president to light that it is cain the shedder of blood. "Christians do not shed blood." There is no law that gives us the authority to kill anyone but to save. This was his chance to save the life of a christian.

[Dr. Khan]

People not in prison are faking too. at least those fakers in prison are still in prison. Besides I have a plan which when it goes into effect shall release all the prisoners in the world. It is the magnifacation of Isaiah 25. Read it every day I sing Isaiah 26:1-9.

[thorswitch]

Originally Posted by Dr. Khan

People not in prison are faking too. at least those fakers in prison are still in prison. Besides I have a plan which when it goes into effect shall release all the prisoners in the world. It is the magnifacation of Isaiah 25. Read it every day I sing Isaiah 26:1-9.

I wasn't meaning to imply that there arne't fakers outside of prison as well - only that if we make religious devotion an "out" for the death penalty there will be MANY MANY MANY false "conversion" solely for the sake of escapting execution, which serves neither any concept of God nor Justice.

[Dr. Khan]

Originally Posted by turk179

The chance to do good by the law was given to him and he chose to kill.

Actually she chose to kill. There are way to many people in this world who use religion as a shield to keep from having to take responsibility for their actions. In granting this woman life in prison it would open up a brand new defense. "I'm sorry I killed all those innocent people but I believe in Jesus Christ now so everythings fine."

Everything is not fine. Consider Saul of Tarsus who after his conversion demonstrated the grace given to him in that he exceeded the labors of the all the other apostles. Making three recorded journeys throughout the empire facing tremendous obstacles; yet he fought through all of them only to be imprisioned and killed fro his testimony. The glory of God in Pauls life is that today his words influence christians world wide we will never know what could have become of Karla Faye Tuckers life (a thousand years from now)if she in prison like Paul who wrote if I'm not mistaken most of his letters from prison. EVERY DAY MANY SUCH POSSIBILITES ARE CUT OFF BY SATAN through our ignorance. When Karla came forth at the end we saw only the beginning of what could have been.

[john313]

Originally Posted by Dr. Khan

John 313
This is about cain and abel. In this thread I'm bringing the nature of this sitting president to light that it is cain the shedder of blood. "Christians do not shed blood." There is no law that gives us the authority to kill anyone but to save. This was his chance to save the life of a christian.

it sure is convenient that people find religion when they are ready to die. you see it as a chance to save a christian. i see it as a chance to save other innocent people by ending the life or a murderer.