Senate votes to open arctic refuge to oil drilling

[jamaesi]

18 months is barely over a year.

[Green Gaia]

http://ga4.org/campaign/boycott?source=petitionsearch

[Saw11_2000]

Mr. John Browne, BP CEO

Heh.

18 months is not barely over a year, it's a year and a half.

Also, 18 months is still a lot you can't imagine how much oil the U.S. uses, and just 1.5 years because a treasure chest filled with oil.

[Druidus]

18 months of oil is enough for some ten billion drums of oil. The U.S. uses several million a day.

Used conservatively, the oil might provide 7.5% of the U.S.'s oil "needs" for twenty years. However, it won't be used conservatively, and, it won't even be used moderately. It'll be used as fast as possible, thus reducing the benefit it has.

[Saw11_2000]

Any way you look at it, ten billion drums of oil, is ten billion drums of oil.

Even if we do use it at a rapid pace, we will be entirely self sufficient for a year and a half.

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by Saw11_2000

Any way you look at it, ten billion drums of oil, is ten billion drums of oil.

Even if we do use it at a rapid pace, we will be entirely self sufficient for a year and a half.

Oh whoopie!

And what happens after that 18 months? We won't still be "ready" with the alternatives and we will have destoryed untold acres of Alaskan environment THAT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.

[Druidus]

You misunderstand me. If you had those ten billion drums now, without having to extract them, one by one, then, maybe, they would let you be self-sufficient for 1.5 years.

As it stands, this won't really reduce how much the U.S. buys from overseas, not by any significant amount, if that. The world will continue on it's merry way, spiraling towards a self-induced oblivion, with no hope of some magical amelioritive effect pulling it back out, and why? For some oil, that it will use to push itself further down? The world is an alcoholic, and it's killing itself slowly. There are ways out, and people will keep trying to help, but ultimately, the help has to come from within the world, from within the masses.

You might think that humans are one of the greatest things around, but that's quite an egocentrist viewpoint. As it stands, humans are most akin to a plague; a virus. We eat, ravage, pillage, and destroy, all for our own gain, until finally, there's nothing left. Then, we die. Just like a virus.

[Saw11_2000]

So basically we should resist all structures everywhere?

My house lives on a road, they had to chop down trees for it, was it right? It will never be the same.

The mall was on a hill, so they levelled the hill for the mall.

It's unfortunate that we need to destroy nature to provide for our civilization, however, it is neccessary, IMO.

[Saw11_2000]

Originally Posted by Druidus

You misunderstand me. If you had those ten billion drums now, without having to extract them, one by one, then, maybe, they would let you be self-sufficient for 1.5 years.

As it stands, this won't really reduce how much the U.S. buys from overseas, not by any significant amount, if that. The world will continue on it's merry way, spiraling towards a self-induced oblivion, with no hope of some magical amelioritive effect pulling it back out, and why? For some oil, that it will use to push itself further down? The world is an alcoholic, and it's killing itself slowly. There are ways out, and people will keep trying to help, but ultimately, the help has to come from within the world, from within the masses.

You might think that humans are one of the greatest things around, but that's quite an egocentrist viewpoint. As it stands, humans are most akin to a plague; a virus. We eat, ravage, pillage, and destroy, all for our own gain, until finally, there's nothing left. Then, we die. Just like a virus.

Egocentrist towards humans, yes I would expect that since I am secular humanist.
I am curious as to why you would say that unless you are some alien species I don't know about. Are you not proud to be human, would you rather be someone/something else?

[Green Gaia]

And we're going to keep on destorying nature until we destory ourselves.....

But we probably won't be around by the time it gets to that, so I guess we don't have to worry about it, right?