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Turkey has seemed to be doing just fine for sometime. And there are a few million Muslims in Istanbul alone.
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I don't have a barn to be burnt down. Although they might burn down my tree.... BLASPHEMY.
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I'm getting lost as to how this is relating to Israeli Muslims and/or Arabs required to take oath to a Jewish state.
Understandable.

Generally speaking, it relates due to the fact that peace in the middle east is already "scheduled", so to speak. The oath herein discussed is a small part of a huge problem -for which a solution has been decreed by the God who declared the end from the beginning.

In the bible are contained God's decrees concerning both the house of Israel and the house of Judah's expulsion -by God allowing human powers to prevail against them, etc. -from the holy land -their wanderings among gentile nations and being subject to war and persecution, etc. -and also the fact that they (house of Judah first -before the "tribulation" -before the house of Israel... which will return [what is left of them]after the "tribulation") would once again return to around Jerusalem -all of which have come to pass.

It also contains decrees of God concerning things that are happening now -and which will soon happen.

This refers to Israel's (primarily the house of Judah -the "Jews") strength since returning to Jerusalem...
Zec 12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.


We see this situation developing -some of it has happened/is happening -though all of it has not yet happened.....

Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

The middle east peace problem (rather, people's obsession with hating Jews -though they sometimes don't do themselves any favors) is increasingly central to world affairs -and threatens to destabilize the whole world -leading to WWIII.

The situation will actually lead to an attempt at a final "final solution" to the "Jewish problem".

Historically, the Assyrians have been troublesome for Israel -and especially the Jews (house of Judah). God, in the bible, even calls them the rod of his anger against Israel (Isaiah 10). When ancient Assyria fell, the descendents of the ruling/warring classes relocated to Haran -NW of Nineveh -then continued migrating NW -eventually reaching what is now Germany (outlined in riddle and parable in Ezekiel 17). Though the word "Aryan" is used loosely... as it relates to the Nazis, it truly means to be of Assyrian descent. They even had plans to recapture their "homeland" -the area around Iraq, etc... where ancient Assyria was located.

The Assyrians -Nazis controlling the E.U. (which was their brainchild) -and one in particular which will rule -will eventually attempt this final final solution -which is called the "abomination of desolation" in the bible.

Some believe that the taking away of the "daily" and the "abomination of desolation" are one in the same -and that it refers to a cessation of sacrifices in the temple at Jerusalem -which would require that it first be rebuilt and sacrifices made there, but they are actually two different events separated by 1,290 days.
The taking away of the "daily" (the word sacrifice is not actually used in the bible -but added in translation) does not refer to physical sacrifices is a physical temple, but that which is done by the spiritual temple -which is God's church. [Many claim to be God's church, but they are those who keep his commandments and holy days -and preach his gospel -of the kingdom -on earth -before the end. Many today preach a gospel and teach a religion which is not biblical.]

The abomination of desolation in the end time is a physical destruction of Jerusalem.... 1,290 days after God's church is caused to cease their end-time work -the Assyrian does both -partly by employing others to that end... (I will explain later why this king in Daniel -called a king of fierce countenance/king of the north elsewhere in that book -is(are) the Assyrian(s).

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

The above verse is even happening now.

The following explain the daily (preaching of the gospel of the kingdom before the end) and the abomination of desolation (destruction of Jerusalem)...

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

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At about this time, Christ will return -and will break the Assyrian -and the other armies of the earth -which will have been gathered in the valley of Meggido (Armageddon) to fight each other -but who will turn to fight the returning Christ. His return will not be as before, but in power and glory...

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains.............

Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

As for why the Assyrian is the main player...

Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
Isa 14:26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
Isa 14:27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

Isa 10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
Isa 10:23 For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.
Isa 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
Isa 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.

Isa 30:30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.
Isa 30:31 For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.

Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

After the daily is taken away -which is now being accomplished (ahem!) by the host that is given to him against it -by the "CRAFT" which is prospering in his hand (a mingling of witchcreaft and spycraft -[again, ahem!]) -the "tribulation" begins.
Israel will be attacked by its neighbors -backed by others -for 42 months, and the modern nations of the house of Israel will fall (the U.S., Britain, Australia, etc..).
Iran, et al will push against the EU, the EU will pass over them like a whirlwind on their way to the holy land, Russia and China will attack the E.U., but will also be in it for what they can gain -they eventually will gather in Meggido, etc..., etc...

God has -and will -put Israel -especially the Jews -through much -but because he loves them and chastens them -refines them -purifies them.

All things FIRST to the Jew -even tribulation. God loves the gentiles also, but has chosen the order by which things will be accomplished. God is equal -and there will be peace soon.
Though Israel will inhabit Jerusalem then -which may irk some others to hear, things will be different then.
God is about to allow Israel to be attacked -a time called the time of the gentiles in the bible -due to some of their imperfections and even their ways against their neighbors -- which has already irked some Jews upon hearing it -but this is to perfect them.

He will save Judah first just as he gave them tribulation first -even more so than the rest of Israel...

Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

....more later.
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It puts the bill into perspective -as something which is indicative of the trouble which will soon erupt -and as something which will soon not be necessary.

The bill is not wrong in itself -but it will not change anything. It is not a cause of trouble, but it does shed light on the trouble which already exists -and people may use it as an excuse for trouble -on either "side".

but... soon... there won't be sides.

17Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?
(This chapter focuses on ways some Israelis have allowed themselves to adopt as a response to their problems within and without -with which God takes issue -and for which he will allow them to be attacked. Israel has every right to exist -and have not been treated fairly, but this has led some to become like that which they denounce. Therefore God will chasten them -purify them -by the sword. Then he will deal kindly with them.)
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No, it doesn't at all. In fact, it doesn't even mention the bill in its entirety.

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-as something which is indicative of the trouble which will soon erupt -and as something which will soon not be necessary.
How productive. Tell you what. I will take the stance that peace is achievable and worth working for. If you want to keep telling yourself that war is inevitable and thus justify your reasoning for doing anything to stop a giant war, because it 'fulfills' a 'prophecy' from a book written by goat herders.

The bill is not wrong in itself -but it will not change anything. It is not a cause of trouble, but it does shed light on the trouble which already exists -and people may use it as an excuse for trouble -on either "side".

but... soon... there won't be sides.

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(This chapter focuses on ways some Israelis have allowed themselves to adopt as a response to their problems within and without -with which God takes issue -and for which he will allow them to be attacked. Israel has every right to exist -and have not been treated fairly, but this has led some to become like that which they denounce. Therefore God will chasten them -purify them -by the sword. Then he will deal kindly with them.)
What a sick **** God is.
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You just don't understand him.

I do what I can to prevent a "giant war" by telling those who do err exactly how they do err -and what needs to change -which is the only thing that can possibly help. I refuse to shoot or blow up other people or stir up strife -and if everyone did that we'd have PEACE.

We are the sick ones! God is not making us do what we do -he does not make us choose to be cruel, intolerant, warmongers, inventors of evil, etc... and without him directing our natural tendencies, which are due to our ignorance and unwillingness to be taught by God what is right to do, we must learn the lesson that OUR CHOICES and OUR BEST ATTEMPTS AT PEACEKEEPING will only lead to our complete self-annihilation. God is LOVING enough to prevent this just before it is complete, and allow it to nearly happen so that we may understand THAT WE ARE INCAPABLE OF BRINGING PEACE TO EARTH -and LOVING enough to let us choose as WE WILL -and STILL bear with us as we learn -and prevent our complete self-annihilation that we might then be taught what is right -AND ACCEPT IT.
He will ALLOW what WE CHOOSE because it is what WE CHOOSE -and we would complain if he did not!

Why call God sick because men choose to harm each other? Because he allows it?
He allows it in order to eventually completely eradicate the very possibility -then he will renew and heal EVERYTHING and EVERYONE WE HAVE DESTROYED AND KILLED.

Pro 16:7 When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.

Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
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I do what I can to prevent a "giant war" by telling those who do err exactly how they do err -and what needs to change -which is the only thing that can possibly help. I refuse to shoot or blow up other people or stir up strife -and if everyone did that we'd have PEACE.
I do what I can to prevent a "giant war"? No one does that.

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What are you talking about? I'm not in the conflict.

[quote]God is not making us do what we do -he does not make us choose to be cruel, intolerant, warmongers, inventors of evil, etc... and without him directing our natural tendencies, which are due to our ignorance and unwillingness to be taught by God what is right to do, we must learn the lesson that OUR CHOICES and OUR BEST ATTEMPTS AT PEACEKEEPING will only lead to our complete self-annihilation.[quote]

Like I said, sick ****.

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God is LOVING enough to prevent this just before it is complete, and allow it to nearly happen so that we may understand THAT WE ARE INCAPABLE OF BRINGING PEACE TO EARTH
Tens of thousands of children had to die first to teach us the lesson that we can't stop the killing of tens of thousands of children?

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-and LOVING enough to let us choose as WE WILL -and STILL bear with us as we learn -and prevent our complete self-annihilation that we might then be taught what is right -AND ACCEPT IT.
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He will ALLOW what WE CHOOSE because it is what WE CHOOSE -and we would complain if he did not!
I don't remember where the Bible condones indifference.

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He allows it in order to eventually completely eradicate the very possibility -then he will renew and heal EVERYTHING and EVERYONE WE HAVE DESTROYED AND KILLED.
And then send them to hell.
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