Israeli Cabinet passes loyalty bill, Arabs angry

[dust1n]

Originally Posted by Etritonakin

Well -unless you want to add "White Democracy", there is no reason -as the "republic" has changed -and the powers-that-be are quite integrated/mixed -whatever you want to call it.

The republic changed in 1868 with the 14th Amendment. I was referring to this situation as a time when it is obvious to address a problem in the basic foundations of a government.

As for Isreal and Jews -Jews were there a long time before Israel became recognized.

There were far more Arabs at the time, but whatever.

They didn't go hog wild slaughtering the middle east's equivalent to the native Americans (if they aren't the equivalent themselves) -they simply wanted to make sure Jews -SPECIFICALLY -had a place to call home -somewhere they can go if another Hitler type goes berserk and SPECIFICALLY targets them for genocide. The Arabs, etc. attacked -got a whoopin' -lost land -and here we are.

What saddens me is that there have been plenty of genocides in this world, but only one has been addressed. Also very sad that it is Europeans who were the one who persecuted Jews, and after Hitler, all Europeans did was send them into land taken in WW1 from the Ottoman Empire.

[arimoff]

Originally Posted by Abibi

Wow It's always a surprise how you manage to bring in racism in ever single one of your posts. I guess that is one thing you are good at. You are stating that all Israeli Arabs support the destruction of Israel.

Are Israeli Arab concerns less important than those of Israeli Jews?
As much as Arab Muslims care about Arab Jews.

How many Israeli Arab politicians agreed to it? Like I have said before, just because I don't live in Israel doesn't mean I can't criticize its laws. This is such a basic thing, I'm not sure why you have so much trouble with it.
Criticizing it is one thing, being a hypocrite is another.

There you go wallowing in self pity again, I was wondering when it would happen. I've noticed this is your traditional soundbite that you fall back on in almost every thread. It really does get old.

O trust me I don't care what you or dustin1 or anybody else thinks or feels as long as you don't interfere with my or anybody else's rights based on their believes, specifically Jews. You clearly have problems with Jews you have replied to everything I said other then it is being a religious Muslim fight against Jews, you did not reply to it because it is the truth and after that you are trying to claim that im whining. Guess what it's not called whining it is called self defense but a different self defense, verbal, something the Arab world not used to.

Don't reply to my posts if you have nothing logical to say. You haven't answered one of my posts, constant blames, look in to your backyard for once, it is full of rotten eggs and to cover up for it you are trying to blame the other.

The bill is voted in. live with it, and as an American respect it because it was democratically voted in by majority, if you can't no body really cares.

And if you really feel the pain for your Muslim brothers get on Arab leaders a**es to get them to actually help rather then blaming others, what happened? I don't think allah would be really happy that Arabs are using Muslims as scape goats to pursue their interests but yet all I hear is how holly you all are. Get a grip man.

[dust1n]

Originally Posted by arimoff

O trust me I don't care what you or dustin1 or anybody else thinks or feels as long as you don't interfere with my or anybody else's rights based on their believes, specifically Jews.

Yet you support a bill that just does that.

[Bismillah]

you have replied to everything I said other then it is being a religious Muslim fight against Jews, you did not reply to it because it is the truth and after that you are trying to claim that im whiningp

It would be idiotically simplistic and blatantly wrong to claim the conflict between Jews and Arabs was religiously motivated. Not that it matters because we are talking about Israeli Arabs, but like you have repeatedly reduced them down to their nationality and made several broad statements that state that "Arabs hate Jews" your racism of Israelis is really disgusting and just furthers my point of natural born citizens being officially recognized as second class citizens.

The bill is voted in. live with it, and as an American respect it because it was democratically voted in by majority,

Huh It's not the rights of the majority we worry about here in America Tell me how many people who would be negatively affected by this bill voted for it? How many Israeli Arabs voted for this bill. I'm sure the other side did just fine in mustering up the required votes

As much as Arab Muslims care about Arab Jews.

What the hell does this even mean? I asked are Israeli Arabs any less important than Israeli Jews and you reply with this? I love how foreigners reduce the nationality status of Arabs to prioritize their political agenda. The majority of Israeli Arabs I have met would rather live in Israel than in Palestine. They aren't hypocrites and traitors as your racist statements indicate and this bill truly hurts those Israelis that have a long term interest in that country.

[YmirGF]

I think the Israeli government has the right to pass any damn bill it pleases. It is their jobs that are on the line and if the citizens don't like their decisions I am confident said government will be sent packing. What is more interesting is if any subsequent government would repeal the bill.

[arimoff]

Originally Posted by dust1n

Yet you support a bill that just does that.

No I support the bill because it defends the survival of a country and it does not force Arabs to become Jews or die. Big difference.

[arimoff]

Originally Posted by Abibi

It would be idiotically simplistic and blatantly wrong to claim the conflict between Jews and Arabs was religiously motivated. Not that it matters because we are talking about Israeli Arabs, but like you have repeatedly reduced them down to their nationality and made several broad statements that state that "Arabs hate Jews" your racism of Israelis is really disgusting and just furthers my point of natural born citizens being officially recognized as second class citizens.

Huh It's not the rights of the majority we worry about here in America Tell me how many people who would be negatively affected by this bill voted for it? How many Israeli Arabs voted for this bill. I'm sure the other side did just fine in mustering up the required votes

What the hell does this even mean? I asked are Israeli Arabs any less important than Israeli Jews and you reply with this? I love how foreigners reduce the nationality status of Arabs to prioritize their political agenda. The majority of Israeli Arabs I have met would rather live in Israel than in Palestine. They aren't hypocrites and traitors as your racist statements indicate and this bill truly hurts those Israelis that have a long term interest in that country.
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I think you lost your self, what Israeli Arabs are we talking about? they come they take the oath, and? what is so bad about taking the oath for Israeli Arab? yes it is a Jewish state but so what? no body bothered that Arab taking the oath and no body will, now the Arab who is perusing terrorism will not be taking the oath because he is driven by religious ideology in witch Israel cannot be a Jewish state. Either you are blind or you lack any kind of logic what so ever.

Just because you are a Muslim do you pledge to America as a Muslim country or as America? or just because you are a Muslim should we now make America Muslim? people come and go America stays America. People come and go Israel stays Israel a Jewish state.

Are Israeli Arabs less important then Israeli Jews? (by the way to me Israeli and Jewish is the same thing, so there are no Israeli Arabs, there are only Arabs who live in a Jewish land, if you have a problem with that study Judaism) anyways I believe Israeli Arabs should be treated the same way as Jewish Arabs are being treated in Arab lands.
what goes around should always come around. Enough is enough, how hungry is the dog? no matter how much you feed it, it wants more and more. It is very rude for Arabs/Muslims to demand respect and rights for Arabs living in Jewish land including Gaza when in return it doesn't give the same respect to Jews living in Arab lands, heck they don't even provide enough rights for their own people. Arabs in Israel enjoy allot more freedom then they would get at home.

By the way visit Israel and notice how aggressive and hostile Arabs are specifically in Jerusalem, they openly show they want Jews out of there, the bill should have been passed years ago.

[LuisDantas]

Originally Posted by arimoff

No I support the bill because it defends the survival of a country.

Are countries always worth defending? The survival and quality of life of the people, sure, those must always be defended.

But the existence of such an abstract and ultimately unneeded construct such as a country? That I can hardly see as something to protect at any price.

[LuisDantas]

Originally Posted by arimoff

By the way visit Israel and notice how aggressive and hostile Arabs are specifically in Jerusalem, they openly show they want Jews out of there, the bill should have been passed years ago.

You really think the bill will bring some sort of peace or stability, don't you?

Still, the text above is essentially an admission that it is pointless at best. What boggles the mind is that such a people as the Jewish, of all people, would make it a point to oppress minorities in their land. I must be misunderstanding something about what I have learned of the history of Jewish People in Europe.

[arimoff]

Originally Posted by LuisDantas

Are countries always worth defending? The survival and quality of life of the people, sure, those must always be defended.

But the existence of such an abstract and ultimately unneeded construct such as a country? That I can hardly see as something to protect at any price.

I might agree with you on this one but I'm sorry we Jews can't move out to the moon.