A Danger to the Constitution (moral, Earth, birth control, minority)

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Christy

Trishtrish - now watch the sparks fly.

You have been criticized for being too judgemental, too unloving, too hateful towards those people who are homosexual. You said that homosexuality was disgusting.

In the Bible, St. Paul called homosexuality an "abomination."

I just used the bible search resourcee available here at ReligiousForums and found no entry for abomination in the Pauline Letters nor in BibleGateway's NIV version. The only Pauline reference to homosexual is in 1 Corinthians 6:9 where it says homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. In fact, none of the eight total references to abomination in Gateway's NIV deal with homosexuality.

So, with this little research, I am at a loss as why you say that about Paul - can you give chapter and verse?

-pah-

[Christy]

A thousand apologies, Pah…Paul did not call homosexuality an abomination – Leviticus did. (Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13) What St. Paul said was that homosexual activity is “shameless.” (Romans 1:26-27) I think “shameless” is very close to Trishtrish’s “disgusting.”

[civilcynic]

Pulling out selective verses from the Bible to support one's belief that homosexuality is wrong is not a very good argument for 2 reasons:

1. For every selective verse pulled out of the Bible to support a certain belief or way of life, there are other verses that are ignored and not followed. For example, children who disrespect their parents are to be stoned according to the Bible. Are you suggesting that we stone kids to death for being disrespectful? What about the story of Lot who offers his 2 young virgin daughters to a crowd to do with what they will so the crowd does not attempt to engage in homosexual acts with the Lord's messengers.
Would you condone parents offering their young daughters to men they suspect could be homosexual in hopes of mending their ways?

2. By quoting Bible verses, you have established that your opposition to homosexuality is a religious belief......How does that support the idea that homosexuality is a danger to the Constitution. Exactly how does homosexuality endanger our Constitution? You have every right to your religious beliefs in this country but what right do you or any other person have to impose your religious beliefs of what is right or wrong on others? Would you support Orthodox Jews if they wanted a Constitutional Amendment banning all pork products in the US because the Bible says one shouldn't eat pork? Would you support fundamentalist Muslims who believe that women have few rights and demanded a change in the Constitution to prevent women from voting?

The Constitution states that all men are created equal and have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. No where does it state in the Constituion that the equality, the right to life, liberty and/or the pursuit of happiness should be restricted in terms of anyone's particular religious beliefs or sexual orientation.

Again, please, someone explain to me how homosexuality is a danger to the Constitution?

[trishtrish10]

i don't hate anyone. i hate sinful acts.

[painted wolf]

the number one defence of hate.... I don't hate (insert group here), I just hate the way they (look/act/believe/muck up the pure genepool... ect set)

so you don't like sin.... don't do it.

don't use the constitution to inforce religious dogma.

wa:do

[trishtrish10]

the constitution was formed to be fair to all and enact just laws. since it was founded on Christian and Jewish morals, it stands to stay that way. we must have some type of advocate. that's why we all have one vote, so that hopefully good leaders will be elected to uphold good laws and legislate even better ones. since God's existence is proven, we must obey his law before man's law, which like in the case of abortion,euthanasia, and capital punishment; we are fallible. the Pope is the highest authority on laws or the difference between right and wrong, we have. i'm a loyal supporter and advocate of his. are u.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by trishtrish10

the constitution was formed to be fair to all and enact just laws. since it was founded on Christian and Jewish morals,

No, it was NOT founded on any other morality but that in common law. Common law has a history and a system of justice that has NOTHING to do with Christian or Jewish morality. Period. You have been a reader and poster to this and other threads where this has been stated again and again. Common Law!!! I think that if you want to contiune this lie you repeat with so many other Christians, you should prove that it was not founded on common law. No opinions, no bald assertions, but proof from the documents of the time and scholars of history that shown common law is NOT the basis of of the US Constitution

[it stands to stay that way. we must have some type of advocate. that's why we all have one vote, so that hopefully good leaders will be elected to uphold good laws and legislate even better ones. since God's existence is proven, we must obey his law before man's law, which like in the case of abortion,euthanasia, and capital punishment; we are fallible. the Pope is the highest authority on laws or the difference between right and wrong, we have. i'm a loyal supporter and advocate of his. are u.

Wrong again. God has not, nor ever will be proven to exist

Wrong again. Your bible says to obey Ceasar's law and that law in the US is the Constitution. Abortion, pornography, homosexual sex are all protected from your God!

Wrong again. The Papisty have been men of foul morals and deeds and that, my friend, casts a pale over this Pope.The Pope is not an official elected by the people of this country and, because he is of foriegn residence, he has NO standing in our courts

Support whatever and whoever you like, but your ideas have no bearing and are sometimes counter to the laws of the US

-pah-

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by trishtrish10

the constitution was formed to be fair to all and enact just laws. since it was founded on Christian and Jewish morals,

No, it wasn't.

Good post, pah.

[painted wolf]

I think that you (trishtrish) missed something in your own statement...

"the constitution was formed to be fair to all and enact just laws."

EXACTLY.... that is why passing unjust laws like the marriage ammendment is wrong. It is unjust and unfair and feeds on the neurosis of a population of americans to distract real political discussion in this most sensitive and important election season.

and the Constitution was founded more on the Iriquois great law than the bible.

wa:do

[sankazhria16]

Originally Posted by trishtrish10

the constitution was formed to be fair to all and enact just laws. since it was founded on Christian and Jewish morals, it stands to stay that way. we must have some type of advocate. that's why we all have one vote, so that hopefully good leaders will be elected to uphold good laws and legislate even better ones. since God's existence is proven, we must obey his law before man's law, which like in the case of abortion,euthanasia, and capital punishment; we are fallible. the Pope is the highest authority on laws or the difference between right and wrong, we have. i'm a loyal supporter and advocate of his. are u.

sorry to bust your self-righteous, Christian bubble, trish, but the existence of God has not been proven nor can it be. It is also impossible to prove She doesn't exist. By definition, faith is based on uncertainty.

Just curious, but in addition to the immorality of abortion, euthanasia, and capital punishment(with ya on that one), do follow God's law and Jesus' teachings against war(thou shalt not kill, love your enemies, turn the other cheek) or against amassing excessive financial wealth while others go hungry?

Yes, we are fallible. So is the Pope, no more and no less than we. He may have great intentions and may even do great things, but his interpretaion of scripture is no better than my own or any other Christian's, nor does he have any authority over me.