America is not a christian nation (Jesus Christ, ritual, moral, reject)

[Melody]

Originally Posted by retrorich

America is not a christian nation

Who's going to break that bad news to George W. Bush?

Oh let me. Can I, huh, can I?

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Melody

Oh let me. Can I, huh, can I?

Whew - context is everything. I thought, from the email notification, that you were accepting my offer to debate. I usually try to save those for the easy ones ( and you're NOT easy!!)

[The Voice of Reason]

Originally Posted by Karst

America is a christian based nation! I will debate anyone willing! just send me a message saying you want to!

Well, you have to respect his ability to underline what he types. As the guys I used to work with used to say to someone that boasted about doing a tough, dirty job - "You've got the talking part done".

OHHHHHH KKKKAAAAARRRRRRSSSSSSTTTTT - the guantlet has been thrown down - come on out and play....

TVOR

PS - While everyone is stocking up on the popcorn, I think I'll start taking bets on the outcome of this one.

[Dr. Khan]

What if I were to identify the United States in scripture.

Right now all I have to say is that the United States of America is good ground to sow in, and it's people too.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Dr. Khan

What if I were to identify the United States in scripture.

It would depend on the verse. If it is from the Old Testament then it would be an argument for a Jewish not Christian nation.

But we wont know if your claim is true until you give us the verse. Please do!!!!

P.S. would you like to take up the debate challenge I issued if Karst is indeed afraid to answer it?

[Melody]

Originally Posted by pah

Whew - context is everything. I thought, from the email notification, that you were accepting my offer to debate. I usually try to save those for the easy ones ( and you're NOT easy!!)

That's not what my husband said. Oh wait.....

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Melody

That's not what my husband said. Oh wait.....

I should bring flowers and chocolates to the debate?

[cardw]

These "major issues" that come up to spread the fear that all the athiests, satanists, and liberals are rising up to persecute the Christians in this country are used to raise money. If there are no headline grabbing issues then there is no basis to support these national Christian organizations.

It really is an illusion that Christians are being persecuted since they are the dominant religion in this country by far. So this emphasis on our Christian American heritage is another red herring.

At least that's what I have come to believe.

[Ozzie]

Originally Posted by goddiedin1967

AMERICA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION

America is a Christian nation and it was founded on Christian principles. This is the Big Lie that is constantly being uttered from fundamentalist pulpits. This untruth has been repeated so often, that most Christians believe that Jesus Christ was one of the Founding Fathers of our great nation.

This was not true when America was founded more than two centuries ago, and it's certainly not true today ;America is one of the most religiously diverse nations on the planet. It's this ethnic, religious and political diversity that's our greatest strength; religious polarization can only weaken our union.

If fundamentalists lie about this important matter -- they shouldn't be believed when they wax indignant on moral and spiritual matters. America is not a Christian nation; abortion is not murder; feminists are not witches; abstinence-only sex education does not work; SpongeBob and Tinky Winky are not gay (not that there is anything wrong with being homosexual); and George W. Bush does not have a direct line to the Almighty.

Our nation was founded not on Christian principles but on Enlightenment ideals.The intellectual leaders who created America believed that human reason could be used to combat ignorance, superstition and tyranny ; they had a natural animosity toward organized religion. It's not surprising that God is only a footnote in the grand documents that are the bedrock of our democracy.

The Constitution makes no mention whatever of any deity. In the eighty-five essays that make up The Federalist Papers, the Supreme Being is mentioned only twice. In the Declaration of Independence, the Big Guy gets two brief nods: A reference to "the Laws of Nature and Nature's God," and the often quoted line about men being "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights."

If the Founding Fathers were Christians and they wanted to establish a Christian nation, then why didn't they mention Jesus Christ even once in a document that they knew would be the cornerstone and foundation of the emerging democracy? That's like Marx writing the "Communist Manifesto" without mentioning "socialism".

The distinguished leaders of the American revolution were not devout individuals, and they fought energetically to erect, in Thomas Jefferson's immortal words, "a wall of separation between church and state."

If we define a Christian as a believer in the divinity of Jesus Christ, then most of the leading lights of the American Revolution were not Christians at all. Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and Tom Paine were deists -- they believed in one Supreme Being but rejected revelation and all the supernatural elements of evangelical Christianity. John Adams was a professed liberal Unitarian; in his published writings he seemed more deist than Christian. In other words if these gentlemen were alive today, they would be more at home in a liberal Presbyterian congregation than at Jerry Falwell's Thomas Road Baptist Church.

It's latter-day interlopers who have breached the wall of separation between church and state. In God We Trust" did not appear on our coinage until the Civil War, and "under God" was introduced into the Pledge of Allegiance during the McCarthy hysteria in 1954.

If we really want to abide by the spirit of the Constitution and The Declaration of Independence -- we will put an end to all this foolishness about bringing back God into our public schools. Those who imagine a Christian America would be paradise, would be well advised to consider the theocracies of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Ironically, as our nation becomes less Christian and more religiously diverse, evangelicals redouble their efforts to make America more Christian.

Everyone who loves democracy and freedom must fight the efforts of fundamentalists to tear down the wall of separation between church and state. Jesus Christ may reign supreme in evangelical churches, but He should be kicked to the curb if He tries to scale the wall of separation and enter the political arena.

America is not a Christian nation. America is not a Christian nation. America is not a Christian nation. God, it feels good telling the truth. I may be a "little voice crying in the wilderness", but with the truth on my side, I will defeat a lie -- no matter how big.

Robert Paul Reyes rreyes4966@aol.com mensnewsdaily.com

America was founded on slavery which is not Christian.

[NoahideHiker]

Here is a little known fact. In 1991 a law which celebrates The Rebbe's achievments in education and proclaimed the date to be Education Day was passed. It declaired that the Seven Noahide Laws were the bedrock of our country.

Public Law 102--14 (H.J. Res. 104): March 20, 1991
Education Day, USA Proclamation
Joint Resolution to designate March 26, 1991 as "Education Day, USA"
Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;

Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws;

Whereas without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos;

Whereas society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society;

Whereas the justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of this Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future;

Whereas the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and