Has Bush Lied? (Adam)

[Rex]

What is your take on the whole WMD thing.

[Fra.Morelia]

My take is this: Iraq was in a highly unfortunate and undesirable position. We needed to take someone down to show the crazy man with the nukes that we don't mess around. Iraq had: a history of chemical attacks; on Iran and it's own minorities, a tin pot dictator no on really liked nor would miss anyways, a military we could over power with swift brutality, and an abundance of a resource we would like to see more readily available. So they were obliterated. Are there WMDs in Iraq right now? I have no clue. Have there been WMDs that have been USED on people by Iraq? YES.
So, we smote them.

[Rex]

Originally Posted by Fra.Morelia

My take is this: Iraq was in a highly unfortunate and undesirable position. We needed to take someone down to show the crazy man with the nukes that we don't mess around. Iraq had: a history of chemical attacks; on Iran and it's own minorities, a tin pot dictator no on really liked nor would miss anyways, a military we could over power with swift brutality, and an abundance of a resource we would like to see more readily available. So they were obliterated. Are there WMDs in Iraq right now? I have no clue. Have there been WMDs that have been USED on people by Iraq? YES.
So, we smote them.

Well the whole reason we supposively went over there was b/c of WMDs that Bush promised they had. And to this date we have no recovery of them.

I mean even North Korea says they have them and if we come near them they will use them. Wouldn't they be more of a threat?

My point is regardless of Sadam Hueisain(sp) and Al Queda, did Bush make a lie about knowing they have WMDs so he could get the support to go to war?

[spacemantip]

I get so disappointed by those who say that Bush lied. He may not have told the truth but he may have told the truth according to the information he was given.Bush did not do the research onthis issue. He has/had people who were responsible to get intelligence and discern the truth of the intelligence.If they erred and gave that data to the President then it was they who were worng.Even so Iraq, has provennot only the ability to use WMD but they have shown their intent by using them on the smallest ethinic group in their own land.

There are recent reports by the present WMD search team that Saddam did in fact move WMDs to various countries including Lebanon, The Netherlands, Syria and a few others.

Based on that information I would say that for the security of the entire world the action taken against Iraq by the Bush administration was late.My own personal thoughts :wink: are that the one who dropped the ball was William Jefferson Clinton and not George W. Bush.

[anders]

Europe is much closer to Iraq than the US. Nobody liked Saddam Hussein, but nobody imagined him as a threat to world peace or security.

Bush is the head of his government. The CIA and others lied, but it is still his responsibility.

When searching the Internet for WMD + Netherlands, most hits feared that NATO forces were hiding nukes of their own on bases in the Netherlands. If you have any proof that the Netherlands (or any other country) received WMDs from Iraq, please name your sources.

[Ardhanariswar]

bush has definitly lied.

[zipo29]

so has every other president in USA history. News flash everyone. EVERYONE Human Being lies.

[painted wolf]

the reason we don't go after North Korea like we did Iraq is that we know they have nukes. Or at least the capability of purposefully spreading nuclear materials...
The Taepodong missle is capable of hitting Hiwaii and Alaska... and they may have a new ICBM Taepodong 2 capable of hitting main-land USA.

Iraq, militarilly speaking was weak, it was an easy target, much like Afganistan. We seem to like enemies that have no chance against us as far as weapons tecnology and military standing goes.

North Korea has an almost non-existant ecconomy, Famine is rampent. This makes them if not actual enemies, then certenly willing to sell WMD's to the highest bidder. In light of this possiblity then thier erratic actions may be more to highlight thier potential goods to possible buyers than anything elce.

Last I heard they were having major problems with the guidance systems for their rockets (the hardest part of any missile) Ironically this makes them perfect weapons of terror as you can not tell where the missile will strike once launched.

The problem with the question of Bush's lies is that unlike most people, Bush has in his hands the fates of millions of people. He sent people into a war that, had they not had the WMD scare, they probably would not have agreed to. Thus the lives, not only of our troops but of all the Iraqies (both innocent and not) are on his hands.

Bush it seems has come to terms with the lack of proof that Iraq had WMD's, what is interesting is that Cheney has not, and still insists that Iraq not only had WMD's but direct ties to Al Qadea. ( a fact disproven by the inquery into 9-11)

wa:do

[Fra.Morelia]

I would hardly say we like weak enemies. It was useful that they were weak. The Vietnamese were hardly weak. Nor were the Koreans nor were the Germans. The people who threaten us happen to have the misfortune of not understanding that they never stood a chance. Mess with the bull and you get the horns.It is called a display of power and is an important military tactic. Did bush lie? i Bet a dollar he stretched the truth. We know they have had them. We KNOW that by the tens of thousands of gassed dead. Regardless of morals and simpering, there are horrible people out there who do horrible things. Bush's job is not to give us a warm fuzzy. It is to insure that as few of us die as is possible. A war against N.korea would have meant tens fof thousands of American dead. That is simply unnacceptable when it can be tens of thousands of another countries. Especcially when we know that that countries leadership needed to be taken down anyways.I against my brother, my brother and I against my cousin, my cousin and I against the stranger. It is called a hard truth for a reason, soft people will never accept it. Some people just have to die. So some people have to kill them.

[anders]

In hindsight, Vietnam and Korea weren't weak. But the US thought they were, and so stepped in, believing that enough bombs would solve everything. Regarding Germany, Hitler was already almost defeated when the Allied troops drove in the last nail.