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Old 06-09-2006, 12:18 AM
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Old 06-09-2006, 12:33 AM
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Your poems keep getting better and better. I'm no expert on syntax or rhythm or any other critiquing methods of poetry but I can say that I really like this one. Reminds me of the Clan Of The Cave Bear books...And once again, the last line is my favorite.
OK. Not even I'm going to believe this coincidence, Buttercup! But that poem reminds me too of the only Clan Of the Cave Bear book I read (The first one, I think). Maybe that was a subconscious source of inspiration for the poem? At least in part?

What do you think of the personality of the Narrator? I find the Narrator intriguing and very human: a bit naive and yet at the same time aware of being naive and yet, perhaps, not wanting to give up being naive. And the same could be said about the Narrator's attitude towards being romantic. What do you think?
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Last night I found another version of the same poem which I'll post here for anyone who prefers it:


The horizon from the highest hill is the useless
Edge Of The World when you don't travel.

You meet people who come by far,
So they must be heroes; so I believe you're a Rider
Passing to the Sun's Door...though you tell me,
You once knew so cold a land the clouds froze
And fell from the sky, and the People
Wore heavy skins.

Still, I look at your hands
Warm and dark with the candle,
And can barely imagine
What I'd think their color by Dragon's Fire,
Leave alone the morning sun.

Then you turn in our shadows as if to say,
You've begun your liking of me,
And my words
Step
Down like desert water

So tonight you'll stay.

Then tomorrow I will go to find a deer
With stolen flowers in its teeth.
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What do you think of the personality of the Narrator? I find the Narrator intriguing and very human: a bit naive and yet at the same time aware of being naive and yet, perhaps, not wanting to give up being naive. And the same could be said about the Narrator's attitude towards being romantic. What do you think?
You are making this too easy by suggesting the answers up front... and I prefer the first version of the poem.

The narrator seems intrigued with the mystery of new love. He's hopeful, protective, and yes, a huge dash of the romantic thrown in. The more I read and reflect on the words....the better a visual I form in my mind. Overall it seems a poem about the hope, wonder and anticipation of a fresh new love all conveyed through the thoughts of a very patient lover.
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I prefer the first version as well; it is very good. I thought you had written it !

I have a horrible feeling I have thrown away all my poetry; I was the only one to read it!
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The narrator seems intrigued with the mystery of new love. He's hopeful, protective, and yes, a huge dash of the romantic thrown in. The more I read and reflect on the words....the better a visual I form in my mind. Overall it seems a poem about the hope, wonder and anticipation of a fresh new love all conveyed through the thoughts of a very patient lover.
You know, you could be right! I've always wondered what that poem is about, and your insight into it makes a great deal of sense to me.

Except that I think the Narrator is female, but I might not have that right. The woman who inspired the poem would have actually been the Rider. She was a person who travelled around the country in a van with two dogs that I saw one day in a coffee shop and introduced myself to because of the way she held herself so perfectly erect even when obviously exhausted: it struck my drawing eye. So, you could be right again, and the Narrator is male while the Rider is female.
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You know, you could be right! I've always wondered what that poem is about, and your insight into it makes a great deal of sense to me.

Except that I think the Narrator is female, but I might not have that right. The woman who inspired the poem would have actually been the Rider. She was a person who travelled around the country in a van with two dogs that I saw one day in a coffee shop and introduced myself to because of the way she held herself so perfectly erect even when obviously exhausted: it struck my drawing eye. So, you could be right again, and the Narrator is male while the Rider is female.
I had the writer as Male.........
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