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Old 08-15-2008, 12:09 PM
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Old 08-15-2008, 01:02 PM
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They are dependent. Without truth, there is no fact.
Excellent, Patty. Co-dependents indeed, spouses of each other; truth and fact.
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But can there be truth without fact?
Can you think of an example?
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:07 PM
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Can you think of an example?
I have heard RS talk about it before. It has something to do with personal beliefs, or something regarding the intangible.
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Old 09-14-2008, 03:57 AM
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I see the word 'truth' as a subjective assessment of a relationship between proposals and their interpretation. Truth is of course governed by the both sides of the relationship, and obviously shifts to accomodate changes in an equilibrial manner.

Of course the number of different 'avenues' of truth is quite vast. It seems very closely associated with logic in many cases, which leads me to an addition to the definition: where by the realisation of truth, must be associated with a perfect jigsaw like fit of an idea to the specific rules or foundations of thought for that individual.
Im also pretty interested in how 'truth' interacts with the concept of abstract thought, as opposed to its relationship with mear evidence based concepts. Is abstraction a real truth? Somthing that can be proposed, and interpreted all without leaving the mind of an individual.

I would be interested in monitoring brain activity of people who are being subjected to somthing they believe is true. See if there is mutual lighting up of various parts of the limbic system and association pathways. (Find out what shape the jigsaw is cut too).
Fact for me is more specifically the realisation of truth using standard evidence based methods. A much more widely agreed truth
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I always thought that truth and fact were the same thing... People here have told me otherwise, but I don't understand the differnece... How could something be said to be true if it wasn't?? I just don't get it...

So, truth is like whatever you believe then?? I just don't see how that could be right, because then there'd be tons of contradictory truths... I thought the truth is something that is... you know... The truth... I'm so confused.
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