Precepts of a Peaceful Warrior (tradition, Buddhism, hell, POV)

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

And martial arts training and "the way of the warrior", when approached and understood properly, does not glorify fighting.

This is precisely where we disagree. The document in question tries to lend an air of nobility to being a warrior and I find that offensive. It lends itself to an atmosphere where "Detente" is supposed to be normal.

[Azakel]

You know I agree that love is what ones need in life, bu the world doesn't work like that and never will, animal fight and kill other for self defense or even food(humans are animals). Ok, example, I was watch Human Weapon last week on History Channel and they were learning Karv Maga Krav Maga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia a Style developed in Israel for survival over there. Every one has the right to live, some time fighting is the only way, you can't tell me love is going to save your live if some one come out you with a gun or knife. Love doesn't work ever were, nether does love.

[Scuba Pete]

I refuse to live in fear, my friend. I would rather build bridges than make enemies. It's time to beat the weapons of war into plowshares and instruments of good!

[Azakel]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

This is precisely where we disagree. The document in question tries to lend an air of nobility to being a warrior and I find that offensive. It lends itself to an atmosphere where "Detente" is supposed to be normal.

How are is it offensive, if one can not under what a Warrior is and they way they live then that's there close minded self. I should feel Offended because it seem that you are just making out Warriors to be nothing but violent and unethical, which is not the case.

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

I refuse to live in fear, my friend. I would rather build bridges than make enemies. It's time to beat the weapons of war into plowshares and instruments of good!

I never said you had to live in Fear, I don't but I do understand that there is a time when peace and love do nothing in this world. I guess one just as to be born with a Warrior soul to understand this, there more to it then Violent act but you don't seem to understand that.

Another example(a fictional one this time but I think it works):

The Jedi. Think about it.

[Pariah]

To believe that one should preach peace in the face of violence is ludicrous and successful by only a few - the rest of us don't need to. To believe that one's enemy will show the same chivalry you would is stupid.

Chivalry judges impartially when both parties agree to it, otherwise, it is folly.

[Master Vigil]

As a martial artist (if I am worthy to be called so), I follow Moo Do (Bu Do in Japanese). The translates to Martial Way. It is the Way that is important, not the Martial. Martial arts is not about kicking or punching. Or using cool weapons. It is about becoming better people. Developing discipline, respect, confidence, honor, loyalty, duty, sincerity, justice, etc.... No matter what discipline you study, whether it be Tang Soo Do, Ninjutsu, Kendo, Shaolin Kung Fu, Cuong Nu, or Kalaripayatu; or archery, calligraphy, scuba diving, culinary, etc.... There is an amount of focus and discipline that is needed to master these skills. This is Moo Do.

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by Azakel

How are is it offensive, if one can not under what a Warrior is and they way they live then that's there close minded self. I should feel Offended because it seem that you are just making out Warriors to be nothing but violent and unethical, which is not the case.

I am closed minded to using violence, or threats of violence. Please don't hit me if that offends you.

Originally Posted by Azakel

I never said you had to live in Fear,

You seem to live in fear of others trying to harm you.

Originally Posted by Azakel

I don't but I do understand that there is a time when peace and love do nothing in this world.

Then we disagree about the power of a flower in the muzzle of a gun.

Originally Posted by Azakel

I guess one just as to be born with a Warrior soul to understand this, there more to it then Violent act but you don't seem to understand that.

As you don't seem to understand my "lover's soul".

Originally Posted by Azakel

Another example(a fictional one this time but I think it works):

The Jedi. Think about it.

Great parrallel and they are as mythical as your need to prepare for the ultimate conflict.

[Azakel]

Originally Posted by Pariah

To believe that one should preach peace in the face of violence is ludicrous and successful by only a few - the rest of us don't need to. To believe that one's enemy will show the same chivalry you would is stupid.

Chivalry judges impartially when both parties agree to it, otherwise, it is folly.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Master Vigil

As a martial artist (if I am worthy to be called so), I follow Moo Do (Bu Do in Japanese). The translates to Martial Way. It is the Way that is important, not the Martial. Martial arts is not about kicking or punching. Or using cool weapons. It is about becoming better people. Developing discipline, respect, confidence, honor, loyalty, duty, sincerity, justice, etc.... No matter what discipline you study, whether it be Tang Soo Do, Ninjutsu, Kendo, Shaolin Kung Fu, Cuong Nu, or Kalaripayatu; or archery, calligraphy, scuba diving, culinary, etc.... There is an amount of focus and discipline that is needed to master these skills. This is Moo Do.

I also agree with this, as of late I've been doing this on my own because there is no Martial Art Dojo near where I live. I wish there was though.

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

I am closed minded to using violence, or threats of violence. Please don't hit me if that offends you. You seem to live in fear of others trying to harm you.Then we disagree about the power of a flower in the muzzle of a gun. As you don't seem to understand my "lover's soul".Great parrallel and they are as mythical as your need to prepare for the ultimate conflict.

Well my friend, we'll will have to agree to disagree. This a losing battle for both of us in trying to make the other see are view, we are both hard set in are beliefs and there they will stay. I bow humbly to you good Sir, my you live a long life a Peace and Love ^_^