The Universe and Self (eternal)

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by Guitar's Cry

That is one of the interesting conclusions of this thought experiment. If we assume the Universe would not exist without something to observe it, then something must have been observing it before life on Earth came along. Life on other planets? God? Pink Unicorns?

Ultimately, it is we (conscious beings) who speculate upon such questions, so without us there would be no issue.

[Guitar's Cry]

Originally Posted by Willamena

Ultimately, it is we (conscious beings) who speculate upon such questions, so without us there would be no issue.

A true enough statement!

[wizanda]

In the Dimensions i posted that is my best attempt to also include how it looks when in heaven....that follows current quantum theory and so the vibration that resonates quantum’s is coming from the 11th dimension (they see it, yet don’t).....
So when the 11th dimension and above it is transcendental i.e. pure consciousness and no need for matter....then it is like a dream of angels, sustained by the faith of God that makes the whole thing possible....
So without Oneness consciousness sustaining everything, it would collapse and so i don't think it is possible to remove consciousness, as character will still remain.....
so even if we have total destruction of the known reality, characters would still exists as spirits and so consciousness would still exist, just not in Oneness and without a matrix as is now i.e. the void....

[Ozzie]

Originally Posted by Guitar's Cry

A true enough statement!

I agree it is a true enough statement. And God was made in Man's image. However, an image does not require a reflection, it could utlilser a projector.

[eudaimonia]

Originally Posted by Willamena

Plato proposed the "idea of a thing" as inherent in the thing, in other words present in spirit. Aristotle criticized the idea that the idea exists within the thing, claiming that Plato had effectively doubled the number of "things" in the world. Aristotle placed the "idea of a thing" firmly in our minds.

I thought that Aristotle had still placed the "essence" of a thing within the thing, and for Plato the essence existed as an Ideal somewhere else.

But I agree that the "idea of a thing" is firmly in our minds, though one could perhaps call it a cognitive relationship between a conscious human being and the entity in question. This is the correct view, IMO, and leads to no doubling of entities.


eudaimonia,

Mark