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Old 06-27-2006, 03:45 PM
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On another thread, someone said that evil is a means to an end.

Because I affirm that virtue is a good in itself, I view evil as senseless and unneeded for a healthy life. We can choose good actions from only good choices, and we should work together to make the world a good place that is as free as possible from evil.

Evil should never be regarded as a means to an end. We do not need evil to bring about good, because we can do good and be good without evils.
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I wonder - how can genocide, famine, murder, rape, and incest be a means to an end?
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I wonder - how can genocide, famine, murder, rape, and incest be a means to an end?
It makes more sense to me to think of these things simply as ends. Using another person as a vehicle to achieve these ends is evil (descriptively and nominally): the person is exploited as a means. Does this make sense?
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Do you mean to imply that killing in war is not evil? Or that it is not sometimes a necessary evil, a necessary means to a good end?
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Do you mean to imply that killing in war is not evil? Or that it is not sometimes a necessary evil, a necessary means to a good end?
I think that killing in war is evil - classifying it as a necessary means to a good end is close to what I believe about war. However, I will not say that evil in general is a means to an end absolutely. There are some evil means to good ends - like surgery that cuts the body for *hopefully* good ends.

Unfortunately, I do not see at the present time how we can have governments without wars, and I think that law is a good thing to have, and we can't have laws without governments. This may be too pessimistic, but I do have my limits.
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Why did King David go to war? Or Joshua? Or Saul? didn't God (good) send them. Weren't there killings there?
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How it be said evil is a means to an end, and at the same time I'm not sure you could say good is a means to an end either.

I'm not really sure where you're trying to take this Angellous. I would consider good and evil dependant on... intent, and motivation more than the action itself.
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