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[.lava]

i could not read everything in original post either. yet still curious..

what does panen mean?

[Storm]

Originally Posted by .lava

i could not read everything in original post either. yet still curious..

what does panen mean?

All within.

[.lava]

Originally Posted by Storm

All within.

i like 'all within' and i pictured you 'dark poetic'. just for now.
yes, i am the judge at this single moment

which language would that be? Panen??

you know, before i became religious person, once i meditated with a guy from Holland. i was already meditating but i was not into mantras. he gave me one. our meditation ended in ten minutes, when i heard a voice telling me this:

'don't try to open the door, it opens itself'

that was poetic too. well, i am telling it because i just remembered, so just to share if you don't mind.

[mball1297]

Ok, first question right off the bat is: How are elders individual rhys? I thought rhys was by nature not individualistic. That's a little superficial, and I'll try to formulate other deeper questions in time.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by mball1297

Ok, first question right off the bat is: How are elders individual rhys? I thought rhys was by nature not individualistic. That's a little superficial, and I'll try to formulate other deeper questions in time.

Oh, you started with a tough one.

I'm not sure whether or not rhys is individualistic, and if it's not, what then are the Elders?

Take my rhys for example. I am an aspect of humanity, which is an aspect of the World Mother, who is an aspect of God. It's all very fractal. So at what point in that progression does an aspect become whole unto itself?

Perhaps the answer can be found when we look at the patterns of matter. matter arranges itself into clusters, amassing more and more matter. Particles become atoms become molecules become objects. Perhaps the rhys follows a similar pattern of arranging itself into clusters. Yet the purpose of rhys is not form, it is awareness. When is a cluster of rhys complex enough to be aware of itself as an aspect? Does that awareness individuate the rhys permanently, or only until the form to which it is bound dissolves? For all individuated forms dissolve, eventually. Is the rhys also subject to the forces of entropy?

I don't have the answer, but I thank you for the new questions.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Storm

Oh, you started with a tough one.

I'm not sure whether or not rhys is individualistic, and if it's not, what then are the Elders?

Take my rhys for example. I am an aspect of humanity, which is an aspect of the World Mother, who is an aspect of God. It's all very fractal. So at what point in that progression does an aspect become whole unto itself?

Perhaps the answer can be found when we look at the patterns of matter. matter arranges itself into clusters, amassing more and more matter. Particles become atoms become molecules become objects. Perhaps the rhys follows a similar pattern of arranging itself into clusters. Yet the purpose of rhys is not form, it is awareness. When is a cluster of rhys complex enough to be aware of itself as an aspect? Does that awareness individuate the rhys permanently, or only until the form to which it is bound dissolves? For all individuated forms dissolve, eventually. Is the rhys also subject to the forces of entropy?

I don't have the answer, but I thank you for the new questions.

You don't have the answer!?

I think this is the key. From what else you've said, when our "life" ends, all that is left is rhys and matter, but not the glue that gives them true self-awareness. That leads me to believe that the rhys, in and of itself, can't be self-aware, that it needs some other component to achieve that.

Also, this leads me to the question of whether or not the universe, or this roth, is individuated. If so, the it would dissolve eventually. If not, what is it?

[Storm]

Originally Posted by mball1297

You don't have the answer!?

I think this is the key. From what else you've said, when our "life" ends, all that is left is rhys and matter, but not the glue that gives them true self-awareness. That leads me to believe that the rhys, in and of itself, can't be self-aware, that it needs some other component to achieve that.

Hmm. No, rhys is awareness. My personality is shaped as muchby my brain as by rhys, but it is not the awareness itself. Rhys is. That's what rhys is.

Also, this leads me to the question of whether or not the universe, or this roth, is individuated. If so, the it would dissolve eventually. If not, what is it?

Roth is the foundation from which we are individuated. It is the source and sum of all matter, rhys, and arn. I don't think it's subject to indviduation.

As I reflect upon your original question, I find myself returning, over and over again to two things. The first is one of my favorite chants, picked up during my neopagan days:
We all come from the Goddess
And to Her, we shall return
Like a drop of rain
Flowing to the ocean

Upon returning to the ocean, does the drop cease to be a drop? For me the answer is no, and that is individuation. Roth is not merely the ocean, but all water. No matter how many individuations occur, roth encompasses them all, and indeed is defined by them.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Storm

Hmm. No, rhys is awareness. My personality is shaped as muchby my brain as by rhys, but it is not the awareness itself. Rhys is. That's what rhys is.

So, why are we necessary? If rhys is awareness, and can get a sense of itself on its own, then what does it need us for?

Edit: I think that a drop of water does cease to be a drop once it goes back into the ocean.