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Old 05-08-2008, 07:42 AM
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Makes sense, but why call existence God? Is existence a person or consiousness?
Can existence be less than ourselves?
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:24 AM
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Can existence be less than ourselves?
Of course it can.
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Old 05-08-2008, 09:21 AM
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Of course it can.
How so if I am part and parcel of it?
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Old 05-08-2008, 09:47 AM
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How so if I am part and parcel of it?
Because it is also part and parcel of you.
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:22 AM
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Because it is also part and parcel of you.
Infinity does not exclude diversity; in other words, oneness is not sameness. The diverse parts are not the whole even if they include it. If I say, "I can prove it," and you say, "Show me your proof," I would say, "See?"
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:30 AM
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Infinity does not exclude diversity; in other words, oneness is not sameness. The diverse parts are not the whole even if they include it. If I say, "I can prove it," and you say, "Show me your proof," I would say, "See?"
"Existence" to us is a part of us. Do you exist? Yes. See?

Each of the diverse parts is whole unto "infinity".
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:29 AM
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Each of the diverse parts is whole unto "infinity".
Between me and thee there is chaos, else there would be no me and thee. Infinity transcends the chaos that divides us; we do not.

I'm a realist. I tried at one time to be a monist in the strict sense of the word, but I found myself losing my sense of common sense. I found I could acknowledge the Infinite within without having to deny my finitude. The surest and quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live faithfully every moment as a tadpole.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:00 PM
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Between me and thee there is chaos, else there would be no me and thee. Infinity transcends the chaos that divides us; we do not.
What is the nature/substance of this "chaos" that distinguishes it from "infinity"?
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