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Old 07-08-2009, 11:25 AM
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Paganism has certain key ingredients

altars
sacrifices on them, even if they are only incense
multiple deities, whether they are all one or not
generally, anscestor reverence
respect for the earth

These are key core ingredients I can think of, off the top of my head
Even those aren't shared by all pagans..

....

no but they are present in all pretty much...

name me an exception...
Me. I don't have an alter, I don't make sacrifices and I don't believe in the dieties the way most other pagans do. So are you telling me that I am not a pagan?
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Old 07-08-2009, 12:14 PM
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Me. I don't have an alter, I don't make sacrifices and I don't believe in the dieties the way most other pagans do. So are you telling me that I am not a pagan?
sounds like you arent, yes....

what DO you have then?

sacrifices can be just incense, or a bowl of water....
some leave food...

how does your "paganism" manifest?
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Old 07-08-2009, 08:19 PM
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sounds like you arent, yes....

what DO you have then?

sacrifices can be just incense, or a bowl of water....
some leave food...

how does your "paganism" manifest?
I know what sacrifices can be, thank you, I just don't see a need for them.

I may not fit into your prelabled package of what a pagan should be, and to me, that's the best thing of paganism: it's a huge gray area.

I would be careful about labeling others as you see fit, exceptions abound.
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:14 AM
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I know what sacrifices can be, thank you, I just don't see a need for them.

I may not fit into your prelabled package of what a pagan should be, and to me, that's the best thing of paganism: it's a huge gray area.

I would be careful about labeling others as you see fit, exceptions abound.
so you dont see the use for sacrifices...

perhaps I should have been clearer, paganism incorporates all or just some of my afformentioned list....

Thus I assume you are a pagan going by my definition.

Unless again you would like to discuss how you are pagan yet "work" outsides the "markers" of paganism
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so you dont see the use for sacrifices...

perhaps I should have been clearer, paganism incorporates all or just some of my afformentioned list....

Thus I assume you are a pagan going by my definition.

Unless again you would like to discuss how you are pagan yet "work" outsides the "markers" of paganism
Just to play devil's advocate (): Why bother having such a list if there are going to be those that don't fit?
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:09 AM
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Just to play devil's advocate (): Why bother having such a list if there are going to be those that don't fit?
well as I have attempted to say, the list was a check list of pagan elements that are found in all forms of paganism (I am willing to bet, pretty much)....

Like I said, or tried to...

the list refelcts some elements of paganism, some forms have all of them, some may only have one or more....

but I suspect all forms have one or more....

....

I used to be more into paganism myself.... hence the list, which *** I also said, was off the top of my head....
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There is certainly something useful about defining something--even in the broadest sense. But like most social movements, paganism defines itself and is often hard to nail down. For instance, postmodernism and existentialism are also in this category of the hard-to-define. Much academic sweat is drawn arguing about the characteristics of each.

So really, if you see yourself as fitting into this culture, I would say you're probably a pagan.

Take, for example, Christian Wiccans. Imagine their issues with definition to anyone outside the culture, especially since pagan is a term originally meant to mean "not Christian."
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Take, for example, Christian Wiccans. Imagine their issues with definition to anyone outside the culture, especially since pagan is a term originally meant to mean "not Christian."
not christian?

nah it meant country dweller...

or person living outside the city of rome....
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not christian?

nah it meant country dweller...

or person living outside the city of rome....
In the days of Catholic domination, it meant anyone who wasn't a Christian or a Jew.
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In the days of Catholic domination, it meant anyone who wasn't a Christian or a Jew.
he stated what it originally meant, not what it became

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pagan c.1375, from L.L. paganus "pagan," in classical L. "villager, rustic, civilian," from pagus "rural district," originally "district limited by markers," thus related to pangere "to fix, fasten," from PIE base *pag- "to fix" (see pact). Religious sense is often said to derive from conservative rural adherence to the old gods after the Christianization of Roman towns and cities; but the word in this sense predates that period in Church history, and it is more likely derived from the use of paganus in Roman military jargon for "civilian, incompetent soldier," which Christians (Tertullian, c.202; Augustine) picked up with the military imagery of the early Church (e.g. milites "soldier of Christ," etc.). Applied to modern pantheists and nature-worshippers from 1908. Paganism is attested from 1433.
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