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Old 05-08-2004, 02:48 PM
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Runt,

Your post rang a very distant bell. More than 30 years ago, I hoped that my (then) wife and myself would be able to learn the "divine speech", so we got together some material. I copied a few hieroglyphs and pasted them on a binder. I still have it, and recognised the left-pointing triangular flag on a staff and the broken line from your description. In my writing, there is also a chicken? and a man, holding his hand to his mouth, indicating speech. The extra signs may be determinatives. I thought that I remebered the transcription and searched the Internet for "mdw ntr". Sure enough, I got a number of results, very few with pictures and none of them quite matching my writing, but It was nice to know that I still have some brain cells left.

So, I was wrong in that you really had the original name for the language. But it is quite a coincidence that the Greek named the writing "holy signs", not knowing how to read them.
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Hmm... I personally haven't seen it in that form... but I know that a man with his hand to his mouth indicates eating, drinking, speaking, and thinking, depending on what is with it. Using it with other symbols gives you meaning as varied as "to be silent", "to raise a child", and "to read". As for that chicken, I don't know. I know it can mean "chicken" and indicate the sound "oo"... but other than that I have no clue.
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Hmm... I personally haven't seen it in that form... but I know that a man with his hand to his mouth indicates eating, drinking, speaking, and thinking, depending on what is with it. Using it with other symbols gives you meaning as varied as "to be silent", "to raise a child", and "to read". As for that chicken, I don't know. I know it can mean "chicken" and indicate the sound "oo"... but other than that I have no clue.
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the chicken is a quail chick.... at least according to my source...

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the chicken is a quail chick.... at least according to my source...

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My source does the same… the same symbol is described interchangeably as “chicken” and “quail”. If I look for references to “quail” instead of “chicken” I get more meaning: a flowering reed next to a quail gives the verb “to be”… but I still cannot find any reference to a quail and a man with his hand to his mouth. Then again, my book is only a little over 200 pages long, and the Egyptians had hundreds of symbols, which could be arranged in innumerable combinations to create gave thousands of different words…so I’m not surprised I didn’t find it. I think my book covers only the dead basics. :P

Completely unrelated (other than being hieroglyphics) but equally interesting to me is the Egyptian dislike of sparrows. Every other bird they featured in their writing—falcon, vulture, owl, ibis, stork, heron, phoenix, eagle, swallow, quail, duck, goose—all seemed to have meaning that was “good”… but the sparrow to them was the “bird of evil” (the SPARROW!!!) and meant smallness, evil, sickness, and determined all words in that category. Basically, if there is a word with a negative connotation, that sparrow will most likely be in it. I can’t quote directly (cuz I can’t find the stupid page on the subject) but basically the only real beef Egyptians had with sparrows was that they were annoying. Annoying… and somehow they became the “bird of evil”. You’d think it would be the vulture… but then, I guess maybe that’s more Western thought…

Still though… a sparrow...
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My source does the same… the same symbol is described interchangeably as “chicken” and “quail”. If I look for references to “quail” instead of “chicken” I get more meaning: a flowering reed next to a quail gives the verb “to be”… but I still cannot find any reference to a quail and a man with his hand to his mouth. Then again, my book is only a little over 200 pages long, and the Egyptians had hundreds of symbols, which could be arranged in innumerable combinations to create gave thousands of different words…so I’m not surprised I didn’t find it. I think my book covers only the dead basics. :P

Completely unrelated (other than being hieroglyphics) but equally interesting to me is the Egyptian dislike of sparrows. Every other bird they featured in their writing—falcon, vulture, owl, ibis, stork, heron, phoenix, eagle, swallow, quail, duck, goose—all seemed to have meaning that was “good”… but the sparrow to them was the “bird of evil” (the SPARROW!!!) and meant smallness, evil, sickness, and determined all words in that category. Basically, if there is a word with a negative connotation, that sparrow will most likely be in it. I can’t quote directly (cuz I can’t find the stupid page on the subject) but basically the only real beef Egyptians had with sparrows was that they were annoying. Annoying… and somehow they became the “bird of evil”. You’d think it would be the vulture… but then, I guess maybe that’s more Western thought…

Still though… a sparrow...
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sparrows ate your crops... evil evil little birds.... :lol:
(lots of cultures like vultures, they have a symbology that connects them with bringing souls to 'heven', perhaps europe didn't like them because they didn't have much experience with them?) I also havent seen anything about rabbits.. the brown rabbit is found in the area...

one Egyption symbol you don't see printed too often is that of a phalus doing something very un-victorian, can't remember what it stood for... my referance book is still in storage... :roll:

its intresting how many cultures held writing to be powerful/magical... it seems so hum-drum nowadays....

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sparrows ate your crops... evil evil little birds.... :lol:
(lots of cultures like vultures, they have a symbology that connects them with bringing souls to 'heven', perhaps europe didn't like them because they didn't have much experience with them?) I also havent seen anything about rabbits.. the brown rabbit is found in the area...

one Egyption symbol you don't see printed too often is that of a phalus doing something very un-victorian, can't remember what it stood for... my referance book is still in storage... :roll:

its intresting how many cultures held writing to be powerful/magical... it seems so hum-drum nowadays....

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