Respect for life (ritual, Creator, Earth, soul, grace)

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

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http://www.themeatrix.com/

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[OctoberTheHottie]

I have heard about these problems before, and it is pretty sick, I don't like the idea of being forced to eat food like this. I did a search for stores that don't sell food that is procduced in that way and there are alot here. I have been to those stores before, do you really have to pay more just to make sure what you are eating isn't over drugged and mistreated, it is very unfortunate, but those stores cost alot more than regular grocery shopping why does it have to be that way?? Is thier bottom line that much more??

My fiance is a full believer that there is nothing wrong with normal food, sad to me really, but his big arguement is that organic farmers still have to use something to keep pest off, and he believes 'organically' that farmers are not allowed to treat the 'food', but treat the soil with chemicals, which would make the food even more treated when it gets to us because it is in the food as it is grown, so it is better to get normal produce since it is on the outside you can wash it off?? Anyone else see even a grain of truth to this??

[OctoberTheHottie]

I have heard about these problems before, and it is pretty sick, I don't like the idea of being forced to eat food like this. I did a search for stores that don't sell food that is procduced in that way and there are alot here. I have been to those stores before, do you really have to pay more just to make sure what you are eating isn't over drugged and mistreated, it is very unfortunate, but those stores cost alot more than regular grocery shopping why does it have to be that way?? Is thier bottom line that much more??

My fiance is a full believer that there is nothing wrong with normal food, sad to me really, but his big arguement is that organic farmers still have to use something to keep pest off, and he believes 'organically' that farmers are not allowed to treat the 'food', but treat the soil with chemicals, which would make the food even more treated when it gets to us because it is in the food as it is grown, so it is better to get normal produce since it is on the outside you can wash it off?? Anyone else see even a grain of truth to this??

[painted wolf]

your talking about the difference between a 'mom and pop' operation and a multibillion doller mega corperation.... of cource the mom and pop is going to be more expencive... they don't have the buying power that the corperations have...

this organic farmer doesn't use chemicals of any kind... although we do use a fish elmuslification to enhance the nutrents in our soil.. the corn especally loves it... (traditionally native would bury fish heads in with the corn seeds but this is easier :lol: )

as for the laws on organic farming...
check out:
http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/archive/OFPA.html
http://www.organic-research.com/LawsRegs/regs/usreg.asp

exerpt:
6504 NATIONAL STANDARDS FOR ORGANIC PRODUCTION.

To be sold or labeled as an organically produced agricultural product under this chapter, an agricultural product shall (1) have been produced and handled without the use of synthetic chemicals, except as otherwise provided in this chapter;

(2) except as otherwise provided in this chapter and excluding livestock, not be produced on land to which any prohibited substances, including synthetic chemicals, have been applied during the 3 years immediately preceding the harvest of the agricultural products; and

(3) be produced and handled in compliance with an organic plan agreed to by the producer and handler of such product and the certifying agent.

wa:-do

[painted wolf]

your talking about the difference between a 'mom and pop' operation and a multibillion doller mega corperation.... of cource the mom and pop is going to be more expencive... they don't have the buying power that the corperations have...

this organic farmer doesn't use chemicals of any kind... although we do use a fish elmuslification to enhance the nutrents in our soil.. the corn especally loves it... (traditionally native would bury fish heads in with the corn seeds but this is easier :lol: )

as for the laws on organic farming...
check out:
http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/archive/OFPA.html
http://www.organic-research.com/LawsRegs/regs/usreg.asp

exerpt:
6504 NATIONAL STANDARDS FOR ORGANIC PRODUCTION.

To be sold or labeled as an organically produced agricultural product under this chapter, an agricultural product shall (1) have been produced and handled without the use of synthetic chemicals, except as otherwise provided in this chapter;

(2) except as otherwise provided in this chapter and excluding livestock, not be produced on land to which any prohibited substances, including synthetic chemicals, have been applied during the 3 years immediately preceding the harvest of the agricultural products; and

(3) be produced and handled in compliance with an organic plan agreed to by the producer and handler of such product and the certifying agent.

wa:-do

[OctoberTheHottie]

Yes, that is true, I guess it is like if I go out and buy 3 shirts for $5 I have to raise the price to turn a profit, but since walmart can buy 100 shirts for the discount of $3 each they can raise the price to make a profit but still be lower than me because I didn't have the capital to buy in bulk...

Thanx for the info on organic law, I guess when someone doesn't want to subscribe to something they will think of any defense. I guess he just doesn't agree with the higher prices altho I agree it would be well worth the money, I will have to work on that... It sure isn't cheap to live, especially the way you really want to...

[OctoberTheHottie]

Yes, that is true, I guess it is like if I go out and buy 3 shirts for $5 I have to raise the price to turn a profit, but since walmart can buy 100 shirts for the discount of $3 each they can raise the price to make a profit but still be lower than me because I didn't have the capital to buy in bulk...

Thanx for the info on organic law, I guess when someone doesn't want to subscribe to something they will think of any defense. I guess he just doesn't agree with the higher prices altho I agree it would be well worth the money, I will have to work on that... It sure isn't cheap to live, especially the way you really want to...

[Dawny]

I think that human beings are not superior to animals or to plants. I think that consciousness is just a way to survive as another because we don t have wings or anything like that, so we have to invent them. Invention created consciousness of us and the external world, and here we are, I d say. :talk: It has it s advantages and it s drawbacks. At least, we can think, but we also grow stupid, thinking we are clever. :cry: The thing is to get to know when we are stupid and when we are clever. I think we need to eat to survive. I think thanking dead animals won t make them be alive, and I don t think animals thank what they eat. ops: But I do think burning forests and disrespectic animals killing masses for nothing just for the pleasure of the waste is the stupidest thing on earth. :killme: I think war is just ridiculous, sadly stupid. I think nationalism, racism, and all those kinds of negative isms are Stupidity itself. mg: I think humanity should think, I mean just thinking with their brains, I mean it would be quite enough: We live on earth, we keep it safe. We need to eat, so we just eat. But plants are plants, humans humans, and you can t deny who you are. I think we have this in ourselves. As we re aware, let s be aware. Let s just watch ourselves as we are.
cheers!! :mrgreen:
Dawny

[Dawny]

I think that human beings are not superior to animals or to plants. I think that consciousness is just a way to survive as another because we don t have wings or anything like that, so we have to invent them. Invention created consciousness of us and the external world, and here we are, I d say. :talk: It has it s advantages and it s drawbacks. At least, we can think, but we also grow stupid, thinking we are clever. :cry: The thing is to get to know when we are stupid and when we are clever. I think we need to eat to survive. I think thanking dead animals won t make them be alive, and I don t think animals thank what they eat. ops: But I do think burning forests and disrespectic animals killing masses for nothing just for the pleasure of the waste is the stupidest thing on earth. :killme: I think war is just ridiculous, sadly stupid. I think nationalism, racism, and all those kinds of negative isms are Stupidity itself. mg: I think humanity should think, I mean just thinking with their brains, I mean it would be quite enough: We live on earth, we keep it safe. We need to eat, so we just eat. But plants are plants, humans humans, and you can t deny who you are. I think we have this in ourselves. As we re aware, let s be aware. Let s just watch ourselves as we are.
cheers!! :mrgreen:
Dawny