Aqualung vs Buttercup (Kingdom, choice, church, sin, bible)

[Aqualung]

Ok, buttercup. TEll your PoV on this while I eat dinner!

[Buttercup]

Luckily I just had to go around the corner to pick up my son and he already ate dinner so I don't have to fix any tonight! Yay!

First of all I think other people would be interested to learn about this spirit prison you talk about so I don't see why you wouldn't want to let others in. And I am not attacking you! Not unless you consider asking questions as attacking!

Let's keep it simple then. Show me scripture in the bible where it says a person goes to 'spirit prison' if they believe Christ to be God and have accepted him as Saviour, but they die before a baptism ceremony can be performed.

[Aqualung]

Because I don't really feel like defending the spirit prison to the entire forum again, with everybody attacking me from all sides.

Let me first ask you this. where does it say that only certain people need to be baptised to be saved?

[Aqualung]

Unless you are born of the water and of the spirit, you cannot enter into the kingdom of god. That's a pretty final statement. It's not, if you have the chance, get baptised, but if not, oh well. It's a final. If you have to get baptised to enter into the kingdom of god, that means that if you don't get baptised, you can't enter into the kingdom of god, and thus you must go the spirit prison.

[Buttercup]

Not really fair answering my question with a question but I'll forgive it this time.

I need to go look up specific scripture for this but you also need to use common sense.

Does this make sense? You accept Christ as Saviour into your life today. You are sincere and happy about it. It is a decisive choice. You are sure. Then, tonight on your way home from work you get hit by a bus and die. You think you would be punished in 'spirit prison' for dying before a baptism ceremony can be performed?

Christ says the ONLY unforgivable sin is non belief in Him. I don't think not getting baptised in this case sends you anywhere but to HIM.

[Aqualung]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

Not really fair answering my question with a question but I'll forgive it this time.

I need to go look up specific scripture for this but you also need to use common sense.

Does this make sense? You accept Christ as Saviour into your life today. You are sincere and happy about it. It is a decisive choice. You are sure. Then, tonight on your way home from work you get hit by a bus and die. You think you would be punished in 'spirit prison' for dying before a baptism ceremony can be performed?

Christ says the ONLY unforgivable sin is non belief in Him. I don't think not getting baptised in this case sends you anywhere but to HIM.

does it make sense for Christ to have lied the billion times he said that baptism was necessary? It makes sense. It's not like the spirit prison is Abu Gharib or something. it's just a place. And those who have baptisms done for them after they die are in no way disadvantaged by this. They still can recieve exhaltation. But Christ repeatedly drilled into our brains that baptism is a necessity.

[Buttercup]

Tell me then what a person does in this 'spirit prison' to make it up to Christ that they happened to die before their church's next baptismal ceremony? I don't know about your church but ours only has them every other month. So, are you saying that THE MOMENT you accept Christ you'd better be near some water?

[Aqualung]

What? I don't understand the question. Could you try rephrasing it? Perhaps put some extra words in there? The wordier the better!

[Buttercup]

It's basically the same question I've been asking you for about an hour now.