F0uad and 1robin Koran and Bible

[1robin]

The Bible vs the Koran preservation and accuracy.

[F0uad]

Yes i found it.

[1robin]

Originally Posted by F0uad

Yes i found it.

Ok, I will think about how to begin tonight and make my first post tomorrow. I have re-answered your Jesus' dyeing issue I hope this one is more satasfactory. Peace out.

[F0uad]

Ok ill be here.

[1robin]

Originally Posted by F0uad

Ok ill be here.

Ok Mr F0uad. I think the first thing we aught to do is lay out some positions and rules as I believe you suggested that.
Since I would like to address the Quran for a while as I am burned out on defending the bible, I will ask you what you believe concerning the Quran.

1. Do you believe the modern Quran is perfectly accurate with the original revealed to Muhammad?

2. Do you believe that Arabic is the language of God?

3. Do you believe that the revelations in the Quran are written on tablets in heaven?

4. Do you believe that the Quran is completely written in perfect Arabic?

5. Do you believe that Muhammad was sinless?

6. Do you believe the Quran has any material borrowed from a secondary prexisting source?

7. Do you believe that the Quran superceeds the bible in all areas of dissagreement?

I guess that is enough.

The only rule I have is to apply consistent standards between the bible and Quran, keep an open mind, and try to be polite. I will do the same.

[F0uad]

Ok Mr F0uad. I think the first thing we aught to do is lay out some positions and rules as I believe you suggested that.
Since I would like to address the Quran for a while as I am burned out on defending the bible, I will ask you what you believe concerning the Quran.

Fair Enough.

1. Do you believe the modern Quran is perfectly accurate with the original revealed to Muhammad?

I don't belief Mohammed(saws) was given a book but revelation wherein hes companions gathered the materials where they wrote it on and later Abu Bakr(one of the most trustworthy companions) compiled it into a book wherein later Uthman(a trustworthy companion) with the committee of companions canonized the original Hafs Dialect and all agreed.

2. Do you believe that Arabic is the language of God?

I don't belief God has a language but he knows all languages for example he spoke to Abraham(p) in a language we don't know he spoke to Moses(p) in Hebrew he spoke to Jesus(p) in Aramaic.

3. Do you believe that the revelations in the Quran are written on tablets in heaven?

Pretty much.

4. Do you believe that the Quran is completely written in perfect Arabic?

Yes however there are words that also have a meaning in Hebrew or Greek.

5. Do you believe that Muhammad was sinless?

No because the Quran and Hadith tells us he wasn't sinless.

6. Do you believe the Quran has any material borrowed from a secondary prexisting source?

No.

7. Do you believe that the Quran superceeds the bible in all areas of dissagreement?

Obviously because i belief its from god and not tampered with.

I guess that is enough.

The only rule I have is to apply consistent standards between the bible and Quran, keep an open mind, and try to be polite. I will do the same.

I will try off-course however i don't want this discussion to be only on the preservation and accuracy of books but also teachings.

[1robin]

Originally Posted by F0uad

Fair Enough.

You are free of course to lay out any additional requests in general.

Yes

Very well.

I don't belief God has a language but he knows all languages for example he spoke to Abraham(p) in a language we don't know he spoke to Moses(p) in Hebrew he spoke to Jesus(p) in Aramaic.

What language are the tablets of the Quran in heaven written in?

Pretty much.

Very well.

Yes however there are words that also have a meaning in Hebrew or Greek.

But the words themselves are 100% arabic words correct?

No.

I thought all prophets in Islam are considered sinless. Is this simply a title or label not an actual fact.

No.

Very well.

Obviously because i belief its from god and not tampered with.

Fair enough.

I will try off-course however i don't want this discussion to be only on the preservation and accuracy of books but also teachings.

Give me a little while to question you on the quran and we will discuss whatever you wish.

[F0uad]

What language are the tablets of the Quran in heaven written in?

I personally think its Arabic if that makes sense but to be honest i don't know its just a assumption i will have to research this specific subject more to have a clear answer. If you want know why i think its Arabic i am willing to share some references.

But the words themselves are 100% arabic words correct?

There are chapters in the Quran that start with word/letters that have no meaning in Arabic or other languages these letters/words are only known to God (This is the idea behind it)

I thought all prophets in Islam are considered sinless. Is this simply a title or label not an actual fact.

I don't know any title or label that assumes they are sinless. In Islam that i know off, prophets did sin but these are not sins as compared in the bible though.

Give me a little while to question you on the quran and we will discuss whatever you wish.

Yeah sure, if you want to speak about the preservation or certain verses you can go ahead i will try to answer with my knowledge.

[1robin]

Originally Posted by F0uad

I personally think its Arabic if that makes sense but to be honest i don't know its just a assumption i will have to research this specific subject more to have a clear answer. If you want know why i think its Arabic i am willing to share some references.

That is perfectly acceptable.

There are chapters in the Quran that start with word/letters that have no meaning in Arabic or other languages these letters/words are only known to God (This is the idea behind it)

So it is composed of Arabic and a few other words from an unknown language. Correct?

I don't know any title or label that assumes they are sinless. In Islam that i know off, prophets did sin but these are not sins as compared in the bible though.

I do not either but I have heard several Islamic scholars say that this is the islamic stance. If you do not believe this that is fine.

Yeah sure, if you want to speak about the preservation or certain verses you can go ahead i will try to answer with my knowledge.

I meant to dive in today but will be tied up too much to do it justice. Maybe this weakend or monday.

[F0uad]

So it is composed of Arabic and a few other words from an unknown language. Correct?

Actually i am not sure if they are words it seems to me they are letters i don't think they are language that is known to anyone but god they are pronounced as Alif-Laam-Meem but the rest is Arabic. However there are some explanations on this link about Alif-Laam-Meem: http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...5013851AAvksrn.

I do not either but I have heard several Islamic scholars say that this is the islamic stance. If you do not believe this that is fine.

I personally never heard this but i don't think they are sinless i can quote the Quran and Hadith to defend this stance.

I meant to dive in today but will be tied up too much to do it justice. Maybe this weakend or monday.

Sure take your time i am here.