Yuvgotmel & Roli 1on1 comments. (Jesus, salvation, faith, Biblical)

[BFD_Zayl]

oh! and don't forget being childish

[porkchop]

Originally Posted by yuvgotmel

Post #20 --concerning the Mind Virus of Human Sacrifice (in the form of "Communion")
yuvgotmel & roli -- 1 on 1 discussion

Comments anyone???

I'd love to hear your comments as well.

Doesnt this whole "human sacrifice" thing refer to catholicism where they believe the bread and wine is literaly Jesus body? ( for anyone who moans bout me saying what catholics believe, i used to be one)
Other than that, i didnt think much of it.

[porkchop]

Originally Posted by BFD_Zayl

ok, Mel, you have spent more time with Roli then I hae, so maybe you can explain something....why does he think that he is the only one who is right? everyone else, with so many varying views on things disagree with him, he thinks everyone is wrong, when in fact it is the opposite...

Did it not occur to ask Roli this?
Quite a little groupie base Yuvgotmel is gaining.

Seeing as though youre interested in asking others bout Roli, maybe its cause Roli goes by the Bible and the Bible is True?

[yuvgotmel]

Originally Posted by porkchop

Doesnt this whole "human sacrifice" thing refer to catholicism where they believe the bread and wine is literaly Jesus body? ( for anyone who moans bout me saying what catholics believe, i used to be one)
Other than that, i didnt think much of it.

This thread explains quite a bit:
Does all of Christianity operate under a shared delusion?
especially in Posts #'s: 5, 36, 47, 68, 69, 73 & 107

[roli]

Originally Posted by BFD_Zayl

I'm with you on this one, Roli has not come up with much of his own material, and quoting the bible does not solve a thing.

You say that about me and seemingly exploit me in doing so, yet you need to look hard in the mirror
What do you mean, " own material", who on this site uses their own information.
Are you kidding me, I mean are you telling me that every person on this forum uses their own information,including you.
I wonder what books you read,study from,who is it you quote from,stand on and rely in.Oh but your "oringinal"
The bible has more accuracy, fulfilled prophecy to date and validation of it's ancient writings,archalogical findings ,scientific proof,and eye witness accounts within 100 yrs of actual events than any other writing.
The bible is self proving,self suffcient, self evident and in it's place as the most circulated,translated,purchased book in the world,many have attempted to destory it,hide it,avoid it, defame it,yet it's still here.
It's teachings are sound,it's principals are eternal,it convicts the soul,confounds the wise,provokes the skeptic, exposes the sinner,condemns the guilty and hidden from the arrogant and proud.
It was written by man, but only as it was spoken by the Holy Spirit,it's in this world but most certainly not of this world.

That friends is a a relaiable source and a book worth reading, if you dare, but beware,it will change you if you allow the supernatural power of God to trnsform you.

Be honest ,their is so much pirating on this and most, if not all forums such as this.
The fact is, most of the mind sets, be it from , anti theists,evolutionists,etc and all who not only oppose the christian position ,but have their own position take it from outside sources.

Philosophy today is amazing , yet how much of it is new forms of thinking and how much is at best,circular reasoning through thoughts ,studies and experiements of the past. Today everybody believes or disbelieves something based on what was said or done in the past by someone else.

Take for example the modern philosopher, may comes along with some of his own thoughts,but are'nt they really a culmination of other thoughts,philsophies brought together by outside sources.

Finish your sentence, in actuality,it is you and many on this forum that quote information from sources other than your own.
Who on this site uses their own information, come on,when it comes to the Christian quoting from scripture,it's somehow ,"taboo" and labelled inaccurate ,false,unreliable,but when those who oppose scripture such as , intellectuals,anti thiests, secular humanist,evolutionist or what have you quote and refer to much of what some other man has said, this is somehow valid and reliable,who is deluded and unoriginal.

Such hypocrisy,I can't beleive so many buy into it.

[yuvgotmel]

Originally Posted by roli

... who on this site uses their own information.
.... Be honest ,their is so much pirating on this and most, if not all forums such a this
The fact is, most of the mind sets, be it from , anti theists,evolutionists,etc and all who not only oppose the christian position ,but have their own position take it from outside sources.
... Who on this site uses their own information,...

As a mystic, I learn from my experiences FIRST, only after that, those things are confirmed to me from books, science, etc. In fact, as I wrote to porkchop on another thread:

Unlike a preacher or missionary telling me what to think, I watch my surroundings and I also monitor my reactions to it (my thoughts, feelings, etc.). I could read a thousand pages and understand nothing, unless I have first experienced it. The words on the pages have no meaning except the value that comes from my interpretation. Therefore, the books have no value except when needing quotes later on. The same sentence can change meaning many times for a single individual as they move forward on their spiritual and/or intellectual path. I can only comprehend what I already know.

Most all of what you have read from my posts, on the 1-on-1 thread, was written from me. Yes, I used other sources to back my arguement up, but if you noticed, I paraphrased most of it. Even the post with the excerpted essay about The Psychological Effects of Communion was something that I wrote late last year.

There are quite a number of people on RF that are very intelligent and do post their original thoughts. Not all of those persons have sources to back up their thoughts and experiences; I do though.

[Shadow Wolf]

You say that about me and seemingly exploit me in doing so, yet you need to look hard in the mirror
What do you mean, " own material", who on this site uses their own information.
Are you kidding me, I mean are you telling me that every person on this forum uses their own information,including you.

When I'm debating, I use my own words for the most part. I rarly make direct quotes. I would much rather experience stuff first hand, which is a primary source of learning for an Occultist.

That friends is a a relaiable source and a book worth reading,

I find very litte about the Bible to be relaiable. I use to live by it, but since I have begun thinking and living for myself, I cannot go back to being bound by it.

[bflydad]

Originally Posted by yuvgotmel

Unlike a preacher or missionary telling me what to think, I watch my surroundings and I also monitor my reactions to it (my thoughts, feelings, etc.). I could read a thousand pages and understand nothing, unless I have first experienced it. The words on the pages have no meaning except the value that comes from my interpretation. Therefore, the books have no value except when needing quotes later on. The same sentence can change meaning many times for a single individual as they move forward on their spiritual and/or intellectual path. I can only comprehend what I already know.

I think that is very well said. However, many Christians could respond that they gain experience and knowledge when the Holy Spirit possesses (I really don't like that word) them and then only use the Bible to articulate the experience and knowledge that they have gained.

[BFD_Zayl]

Originally Posted by porkchop

Seeing as though youre interested in asking others bout Roli, maybe its cause Roli goes by the Bible and the Bible is True?

eh, go ahead and think what you will, i'll worship my Gods, you go ahead and worship yours, everyone is happy.

and roli, i agree, most of what i say is influenced by what i have experienced and writings that i trust, however, you will rarely see my quote word for word, as often as you do. so please, don't try to put me, or anyone else down.

[roli]

Regardless of the obvious responses and as noble sounding they may have been,they were pretty much in line with what I expected.

Of course we all have our own thoughts and expereinces,that is a given, but it's so hard for some to admit the fact that the majority of information we assimilate is many times the basis of what we believe, come on guys, it's not an insult to the intellect to admit that a vast percentage of that information is from o