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Old 03-13-2007, 10:27 AM
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We have always existed, but with no physical form...

That's the way I have always understood it. Will have to look that one up and see if I can't find a reference for that teaching.

Our Heavenly Father formed our spirits, not by procreating, at least that's my belief, but by forming them out of fine matter, just as Adam and Eve were formed out of the dust of the earth, so were our spirits formed, but out of matter more refined...

It's possible that Adam and Eve had physical bodies made of the same refined matter as their spirits, being immortal, until they fell, at which time they then became mortal, being subject to death and sin, having a body consisting of less refined or more dense matter....
And for once, it appears as if FFH and I agree!
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:26 PM
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And for once, it appears as if FFH and I agree!
Well...we were both raised LDS, in the Salt Lake, so we should have somewhat the same basic understanding of LDS teachings and doctrines...

The truth gets further convoluted as you travel further from Zion (Salt Lake)...

Just kidding...
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:46 PM
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I've always been of the understanding that the word "intelligence" (as used in the scriptures) means "the light of truth." How could the light of truth have a form?
I am not sure which scripture you are talking about.... *glances at signature* oh...

It isn't "light of truth" but light AND truth, I don't know if that makes a big difference but words mean things and I think it drives you nuts when I do that . Anyway, you would agree that an intelligence is matter yes? (if an intelligence is light, see the particle properties of light, also see E=MC2). Why couldn't matter have a form?

I am not arguing either way, I am just saying that I don't see how one can be sure about it. There is almost nothing written on Intelligences, what points anyone to them having a form or not? (if you ask plato by the way, intelligences would be the form for us, not that Plato is an LDS scholar or anything).
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Old 03-13-2007, 09:28 PM
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It isn't "light of truth" but light AND truth?"
I thought that for a long time. Then I read somewhere that it means "the light OF truth." But now I can't find where I read that, so you could be right.
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I thought that for a long time. Then I read somewhere that it means "the light OF truth." But now I can't find where I read that, so you could be right.
Now there is a scary thought, Katzpur actually thinking I could be right about something. First you agree with FFH and now you leave open the possibility that I could be right too? Are you taking all of your medication?


BTW - I figured you were referring to D&C 93 which happens to have been my signature for a while. That is where I got "light and truth" from.
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Well...we were both raised LDS, in the Salt Lake,
You guys were both raised in boats or did you tread water for 18 years?
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You guys were both raised in boats or did you tread water for 18 years?
Well, we may have been sheltered from the world, growing up in Salt Lake, but I think since coming to the forum that shelter has all but been demolished.
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Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
Man was also in the beginning with God.
Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

The King Follett Sermon
Joseph Smith
The intelligence of spirits had no beginning, neither will it have an end.
Gospel Library > Magazines > Ensign > May 1971

The King Follett Sermon is on the LDS.org website so I would think it would be considered doctrine...
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Well, we may have been sheltered from the world, growing up in Salt Lake, but I think since coming to the forum that shelter has all but been demolished.
I think he was being literal...Like being born in the GREAT Salt Lake.
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I think he was being literal...Like being born in the GREAT Salt Lake.
Ah, I see I miss typed it.