Cardero vs. Mrscardero (testimony, tradition, America, experience, marriage)

[cardero]

Joel Hodgson Vs. Mike Nelson
It seems that there is unrest in the cardero household and peace cannot be restored until the issue is settled. We sleep in separate beds, we cook for ourselves and basically no one is talking to each other because of these two men:




Joel Hodgson

And




Mike Nelson

It got a little out of hand yesterday when I installed the traditional Christmas movie Santa Claus Conquers The Martians. The movie is a tradition in the cardero household for many years, who knew my wife would turn out to be such a blasphemous curd who cannot stand Joel Hodgson, the beloved first janitor of Gizmonic Institute, who did a good job cleaning up the place but his bosses didn’t like him so they shot him into space? My wife is so disagreeable to Joel Hodgson (not understandable) and watching any of the MST3K movies (understandable) with Joel in them that she quickly ejected the disc from our DVD player and in the joyous Christmas spirit, threw it across the room only to be shattered in a million unfulfilled Christmas dreams.

I of course I am representing the sleepy-eyed Joel Hodgson camp, after all, he was the first and most funniest victim of the Mystery Science Theater experiments and I believe he is the most popular of the two and what made that series so successful.

Mrscardero is taking the Mike Nelson side, probably for some silly, unreasonable girly reason like he is cute or something.

I could use everyone’s help, so if anyone has any thing they would like to add to this debate please feel free to pipe in. I would like to have mrscardero proven wrong before the Christmas season so we can resume our marriage and most importantly, I can once again resume the tight executive control of our entertaining scheduled television programming.

I will begin with my testimony by saying that Joel Hodgson is the definitive victim of the Satellite Of Love because:

1) He adores the robots (Crow and Tom Servo) and never lets them take advantage of him.
2) Joel likes to do funny things in the theater, like kiss the actors when they have close-ups and hang off peoples ties and interact with the movie screen.
3) Joel had more interesting invention exchanges and reads letters from viewers, something Mike Nelson quickly phased out once he became a victim on the satellite of love.

That’s all for now, I will give mrscardero a chance to rebuttal (yeah right).

[mrscardero]

Originally Posted by cardero

It seems that there is unrest in the cardero home and peace cannot be restored until the issue is settled. We sleep in separate beds, we cook for ourselves and basically no one is talking to each other because of these two men:

Resistance is Futile Joel Lover! You love him so much you are starting to look like him. That's why you are sleeping on the couch.

The movie is a tradition in the cardero household for many years, who knew my wife was such a blasphemous curd who cannot stand Joel Hodgson the beloved first janitor of Gizmonic Institute, who did a good job cleaning up the place but his bosses didn’t like him so they shot him into space?

It's such a tradition you must watch it by yourself cause I don't watch it.

It got a little out of hand yesterday when I installed the traditional Christmas movie Santa Claus Conquers The Martians. My wife is so disagreeable to Joel Hodgson (not understandable) and watching any of the MST3K movies (understandable) with Joel in them that she quickly ejected the disc from our DVD player and in the joyous Christmas spirit, threw it across the room only to be shattered in a million unfulfilled Christmas dreams.

It was the wine talking. Seriously. It's not that Joel is not a good actor. He's a...how do I put this in a spirit of Christmas way. He looks like he's drunk all the time. Oh! One more thing. What is with his voice? It's the same tune. Like, he just smoked a big one. Come on!

I of course am representing the sleepy-eyed Joel Hodgson camp, after all, he was the first and most funniest victim of the Mystery Science Theater experiments and I believe he is the most popular of the two and what made that series so successful.

Sleepy-eyed. More like I'm Bored-eyed Joel get me the heck off this show. I know that his look was a holdover from the pilot, which he was exhausted while filming because he hadn't slept for four days. Popular! I think NOT! The only ones who will agree with you that comes over this house is Ralph. He loves MST and I am sure he loves Joel too. But Mike is the one.

Mrscardero is taking the Mike Nelson side, probably for some silly, unreasonable girly reason like he is cute or something.

Ummm...Have you read my MySpace profile? Bi!!! The only man I think is cute or SOMETHING is...not too make your head swell or anything…is you.

Mike Nelson in addition to being the second host of the cult TV series "Mystery Science Theater 3000", he also played a variety of additional characters, including the late bodybuilder and Hercules star Steve Reeves. Hewas already known to viewers for his special guest appearances as Jack Perkins, Michael Feinstein, Gamera, Mothra, Morressey, Torgo and any number of hexfield viewscreen guests.


Where is he now? (June 2002) Living in Minneapolis area, writing essays about bad movies, etc. for magazines and online magazines. Has two books of collected essays published.
(April 2004) Provides commentary tracks for Off Color Films' colorized DVD releases. Has currently done "Reefer Madness," "Night of the Living Dead," "Carnival of Souls," "House on Haunted Hill," and "Plan 9 From Outer Space."
(August 2006) Recently moved from Minnesota to San Diego, California.

I could use everyone’s help, so if anyone has any thing they would like to add to this debate please feel free to pipe in. I would like to have mrscardero proved wrong before the Christmas season so we can resume our marriage and most importantly, I can once again resume the tight executive control of our traditional scheduled television programming.

You need all the help you can get cause last night, I won the battle baby!!

Mike Nelson 121 Episodes from 1990-1999

Your Joel 82 Episodes 1988-1999

Reason why Joel chose Mike.

Joel Hodgson chose Mike Nelson to be his replacement as the host of Mystery Science Theater 3000 because he was impressed with his leadership skills, his music skills and the fact that he looked great standing next to the show's puppets.




What I found.

Hodgson, who had created the series and labored on it ceaselessly for five years, asked off the show, pleading burnout. Hodgson, a shy person, was also reportedly very uncomfortable in front of the camera, and even more uncomfortable with his growing fame. In the press release announcing his departure, Hodgson noted: "I think it was Adam West who once said that if you stay in the same costume too long, you eventually find yourself signing autographs at the R. V. show."

Where is Joel now?

(January 2003) Working on The Jimmy Kimmel Show
(March 2006) Supervising Producer of "Everything You Need to Know"

Joel will be missed. But not by me.

[cardero]

Mrscardero writes: Resistance is Futile Joel Lover! You love him so much you are starting to look like him. That's why you are sleeping on the couch.

Sleeping with Wikipedia and other internet information sites instead of following the teachings of your experienced husband (for a change) does not excuse you from your erroneous behavior or your Philistine ramblings.

While you were researching your precious Mike Nelson you have failed to acknowledge the other part of this debate.

HIS HUMBLE BEGINNINGS

Stand-Up Comedy

Starting out as a comedian/magician/spy Joel Hodgen’s was destined for stardom. Performing as a stand up comedian in north-western comedy circuits, Joel quickly carved out a unique niche for himself as a bizarre and quirky personality. He was instantly recognized for his off-beat brand of comedy and was hired by the producers of Saturday Night Live and enjoyed a performing stint for awhile before creating his own show MST3K (Mystery Science Theater 3000).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EQI9xS2ltI

THE KTMA YEARS
In 1988 Joel Hodgson was recreating the TV Universe with his own cable access program Mystery Science Theater 3000 which aired on a UHF channel out of Minnesota. Joel built the props, most likely wrote the scripts and breathed life into the robots of Tom Servo, Crow T. Robot, Gypsy and Cambot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7SFPdQx9Eo&mode=related&search=

And what was Mike Nelson doing while Joel was creating the most celebrated show in the history of television? Well... let’s have a look.


He was working as a temp in a cheese factory.

Mrscardero writes: Oh! What is with his voice? It's the same tune. Like, he just smoked a big one. Come on!

That’s his SCHTICK!!! Haven’t you ever heard of Stephen Wright or Bob(cat) Goldthwait? They made their livelihood with their voices.

Mrscardero writes: It's such a tradition you must watch it by yourself cause I don't watch it.

Two TV’s, two DVD players, this can be arranged but I guarantee you will eventually come looking for me (she hates it when I am having a better time without her).

Mrscardero writes: Sleepy-eyed. More like I'm Bored-eyed Joel get me the heck off this show. I know that his look was a holdover from the pilot, which he was exhausted while filming because he hadn't slept for four days.Popular! I think NOT!
The only ones who will agree with you that comes over this house is Ralph.

YOU LEAVE RALPH OUT OF THIS!!! IF Ralph wants to pipe in, he knows exactly where RF is and where he left his membership and how to log on.

Mrscardero writes:He loves MST and I am sure he loves Joel too. But Mike is the one.

Ralph will tell you the same thing I am telling you; That you can’t compare Gods to apostles.

Mrscardero writes: Mike Nelson in addition to being the second host of the cult TV series "Mystery Science Theater 3000", he also played a variety of additional characters, including the late bodybuilder and Hercules star Steve Reeves. Hewas already known to viewers for his special guest appearances as Jack Perkins, Michael Feinstein, Gamera, Mothra, Morressey, Torgo and any number of hexfield viewscreen guests.

My point exactly. Mike Nelson was a “walk on character”. Mike Nelson had many behind the scene responsibilities too but he WASN’T THE STAR. Even after he took Joel’s place he always played second fiddle/banana to the robots.


(Or had you simply forgotten the embarrassment and the humility of Crow and Servo turning Mike into the annoying Mikey character from Teenage Strangler?)

Mrscardero writes: You need all the help you can get cause last night, I won the battle baby!!
Mike Nelson 121 Episodes from 1990-1999

Your Joel 82 Episodes 1988-1999

Oh very nice!! The old argument of quantity over quality. This will get you far in your debate.
You are also forgetting that the highest rated show during Mike Nelson’s stint was the end of the season episode (1001 Soultaker) when news spread that Joel was to make a guest appearance on that show. Proof is always in the ratings.

Mrscardero writes: Reason why Joel chose Mike.
Joel Hodgson chose Mike Nelson to be his replacement as the host of Mystery Science Theater 3000 because he was impressed with his leadership skills, his music skills and the fact that he looked great standing next to the show's puppets.

So did Gypsy and the empty silhouetted theater seats, what’s your point?

Mrscardero writes: Where is Joel now?

I can assure you he’s not signing autographs in a jumpsuit at any boat shows!!
Where’s Mike Nelson? Gathering up his show time Buddies doing the same thing he should be doing on TV. Not that I am ungrateful for his Rifftrax series or his upcoming commentary projects and I do miss the show and the robots but Mike Nelson is simply and purely locked into typecast.

Mrscardero writes: (January 2003) Working on The Jimmy Kimmel Show
(March 2006) Supervising Producer of "Everything You Need to Know"

In an effort to fault someone for branching out towards new experiences, I see you also conveniently left out his critically acclaimed TV Wheel Show.

Mrscardero writes: Joel will be missed. But not by me

You haven’t heard the last of Joel, he’ll show you, he’ll show you all!!

[mrscardero]

Originally Posted by cardero

Starting out as a comedian/magician/spy Joel Hodgen’s was destined for stardom. Performing as a stand up comedian in north-western comedy circuits, Joel quickly carved out a unique niche for himself as a bizarre and quirky personality.

Oh Yeah! Where is he now? He is too shy to be in the spot light. He doesn't do comedy acts in front of the audience any more. If he did, why aren't you there supporting him and getting his autograph? Come on. Just admit it. You want to win this debate. But what's there to debate? Mike is still around and Joel is no where to be found.

THE KTMA YEARS
In 1988 Joel Hodgson was recreating the TV Universe with his own cable access program Mystery Science Theater 3000 which aired on a UHF channel out of Minnesota. Joel built the props, most likely wrote the scripts and breathed life into the robots of Tom Servo, Crow T. Robot, Gypsy and Cambot.

1988? I was only ten. That's nice he built his own props. I make your dinner. What's your point?

And what was Mike Nelson doing while Joel was creating the most celebrated show in the history of television?

Question here is, what did mike do when Joel left the show.
What did Mike Nelson do for MST3K?
Mike Nelson is one of the country's premier comedy writers. A critic's favorite as long time host and head writer for the legendary Mystery Science Theater 3000, Mike led the writing staff to three Emmy nominations, four Cable ACE nominations, and received the prestigious Peabody Award for Excellence in Broadcasting. The show was also honored with a special induction into the Museum of Television and Radio.

Mike also wrote much of the music for the series and eventually shared directing duties.

That’s his SCHTICK!!! Haven’t you ever heard of Stephen Wright or Bob(cat) Goldthwait? They made their livelihood with their voices.

Who?

Two TV’s, two DVD players, this can be arranged but I guarantee you will eventually come looking for me (she hates it when I am having a better time without her).

Hate is such a strong word. I guarantee you. I will be more comfortable in the bedroom with pillows and comforters. I am not sure how comfortable the couch is. Oh wait. You should know. You're on it all the time.

YOU LEAVE RALPH OUT OF THIS!!! IF Ralph wants to pipe in, he knows exactly where RF is and where he left his membership and how to log on.
Ralph will tell you the same thing I am telling you; That you can’t compare Gods to apostles.

Gods to apostles? Umm....Those voices in your head telling you to type this?
If Ralph wants to pipe in, I will talk to him next Saturday when we he comes over so that we can really have a one on one debate. Let's see who cooks your snacks that day.

My point exactly. Mike Nelson was a “walk on character”. Mike Nelson had many behind the scene responsibilities too but he WASN’T THE STAR. Even after he took Joel’s place he always played second fiddle/banana to the robots.

So what if Mike started out in the bottom before he really became more famous then Joel. Every one starts at the bottom. You work your way up. There's nothing wrong with that. And there's nothing wrong with being second fiddle/banana to the robots. I thought it was funny.

And for your information, he was on Sea Hunt. It was an Americantelevision adventure series from pioneering syndicator Ziv TV that ran from 1958 to 1961 and was popular in repeats for decades afterwards. It followed the adventures of scuba diver Mike Nelson, an ex-Navy frogman turned freelance diver, played by Lloyd Bridges

(Or had you simply forgotten the embarrassment and the humility of Crow and Servo turning Mike into the annoying Mikey character from Teenage Strangler?)

You laughed at this one. Don't say you didn't. Say it! SAY IT!

Oh very nice!! The old argument of quantity over quality. This will get you far in your debate.
You are also forgetting that the highest rated show during Mike Nelson’s stint was the end of the season episode (1001 Soultaker) when news spread that Joel was to make a guest appearance on that show. Proof is always in the ratings.

Look who's talking about argument of quantity over quality. Why you gotta copy me with your highest rating argument.

I can assure you he’s not signing autographs in a jumpsuit at any boat shows!!

No...he's writting books. His wife is a comedian and he has two children.

Where’s Mike Nelson? Gathering up his show time Buddies doing the same thing he should be doing on TV. Not that I am ungrateful for his Rifftrax series or his upcoming commentary projects and I do miss the show and the robots but Mike Nelson is simply and purely locked into typecast.

I know you are greatful for his Rifftrax because you watch them. But I notice that you laugh more with Mike then you do with Joel. I have seen some MST with Joel, but I know you well enough that you laugh more...I mean more...with Mike. Just admit it. You know I am right but you won't admit it. You can't face the fact that I,....ME!....your wife, is right. You may have years on me with this show, but I know who's funny and who's not.

You haven’t heard the last of Joel, he’ll show you, he’ll show you all!!

I know. I know. It's not the end of the show because you have to be RIGHT. Don't worry. I'll take it easy on you.

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