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Old 05-19-2010, 04:53 PM
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The source cites a study by the Center for Immigration Studies, an anti-immigrant group. If you read the detailed explanation of that study (here), it explains that they include the costs of programs that benefit the U.S. citizen children of people they presume to be illegal aliens. That is, if someone the CIS deems likely to be an illegal alien has a child who is an American citizen, any federal benefits received by the that child are included in their cost totals.

The study also fails to account for the costs of enforcement, taking the position that immigration law is presently completely unenforced and that the supposed savings gained by enforcement would more than offset the costs. That's a very doubtful proposition.

Note also that this study considers only federal costs, and makes no reference to any state costs or to the contributions of illegal immigrants to state economies.
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Old 05-19-2010, 04:58 PM
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Yeah, this "source" is actually a notorious right-wing chain mail circulated in 2007. I was going to debunk it but Smoke already started to kick it in the teeth. Here's a complete debunking of the list and the source. Simply put the #s and the $ and the chain e-mail are a propogandistic lie:
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Old 05-19-2010, 04:58 PM
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All these boycotts have the potential to do is hurt the private businesses that are in certain states. Do you think any laws would change if a few companies are feeling a crunch? They may wind up paying less taxes in a boycott year, but by sticking with the new law, the states have the potential to save so much more money in the benefits that are currently being paid out to the illegals that will soon be departing.
The last claim is false for two reasons. First, states do not pay welfare to illegal immigrants. Second, illegal immigrants pay much more in taxes than they receive in benefits of any kind.
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A revolting ode to an ill considered embargo.

Will Arizona throw the switch?
Can So Cal take the power glitch?
But if they can't,
they ought recant
lest they be snubbed with "Take that, b....!"
Arizona is high on crack
Discontinuing L.A.'s power won't do jack
It reminds us of an old adage:
"Hurry, raise the drawbridge!"
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The last claim is false for two reasons. First, states do not pay welfare to illegal immigrants. Second, illegal immigrants pay much more in taxes than they receive in benefits of any kind.
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I have been due to go on a rant, California should keep their nose out of Arizona's business.

If they want to slug it out in the mud with boycotts, the door swings both ways.

Why don't we just let the supreme court rule on the Arizona's new law and leave it at that?
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Old 05-19-2010, 07:39 PM
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I have been due to go on a rant, California should keep their nose out of Arizona's business.
Cool. I'm for the boycott too.
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I have been due to go on a rant, California should keep their nose out of Arizona's business.
And people who don't live in California should keep their nose out of it's business. California has the right to decide who they want to do business with and who they don't.

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If they want to slug it out in the mud with boycotts, the door swings both ways.
Only one way swings more than the other. California won't be the ones hurting.


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Why don't we just let the supreme court rule on the Arizona's new law and leave it at that?
Maybe when the supreme court does decide to do something, people will stop boycotting.
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I understand the use of a boycott to show one's displeasure, and hopefully convince people that it is not in their interest to act in the way that they are acting.

However, I have found the tourism boycotts of Arizona a bit silly. Do people really think that Arizona, with the huge draw of the Grand Canyon, will really suffer enough of a dip in tourism to even care if a few people from California choose not to visit?
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California - what a joke. The Greece of the United States.
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