Here's a Novel Idea

[OmarKhayyam]

The suggestion is that we undo the War of Northern Aggression and return to a nation of separate states unequal and liking it.

Seriously. Here are details.

Now that is an intriguing idea. I would like to see it posted on RedState.Com. I can't post it. I'm banned forever there. (Something about disrespecting religious faith. )

Anyway, taking the idea seriously it makes sense in a kind of 18th century way.

[Atreyu]

Sounds great and all, but then it would just be a battle to take over other teritories.

[YamiB.]

War of Northern Aggression

It annoys the hell out of me that people use that as an actual name for the US Civil War.

Originally Posted by OmarKhayyam

The suggestion is that we undo the War of Northern Aggression and return to a nation of separate states unequal and liking it.

Seriously. Here are details.

Now that is an intriguing idea. I would like to see it posted on RedState.Com. I can't post it. I'm banned forever there. (Something about disrespecting religious faith. )

Anyway, taking the idea seriously it makes sense in a kind of 18th century way.

I have to say that it is tempting sometimes to think that the country would be better off without the South. They seem to always be the stronghold for opposition to whatever social issue the country is making progress on and then we are forced to drag them kicking and screaming into the future.

I'm sure they make some kind of contribution to the country. And it would be unfair to abandon the minority groups living in that area.

[Neo-Logic]

Originally Posted by OmarKhayyam

The suggestion is that we undo the War of Northern Aggression and return to a nation of separate states unequal and liking it.

We kicked their ***** once and we'll do it again!

I'll tell you what, you name the time and the place. You and I get to bring 5 senators each, and do a game of paintball fight. Winner takes all. Loser states pack their bags and move to either Canada, or Mexico, respectively.

Like candy from a baby.

[Sunstone]

All in all, it might not be such a bad thing if the South seceded.

[Autodidact]

As long as they don't go re-instating slavery, I'd rather not be carrying their water any more.

[Enoch07]

Originally Posted by Autodidact

As long as they don't go re-instating slavery, I'd rather not be carrying their water any more.

Wow that is almost racist. You really do not know your history if you think the civil war was solely about slavery. Like it matters to me, my ancestors never owned a slave and in fact the area I grew up in flew the union flag during the civil war even though it was in the confederacy.

Really sad to see how much ignorance of the south is being displayed here. If you cannot see what the south contributes then let me inform you. Not overlooking the abundance of food supplied by the warmer climates in the south we will just take Georgia for example........We have the CDC and Emory University in Atlanta (useless I am sure ), Delta Airlines is based here, Home Depot, UPS and AT&T mobile (Cingular Wireless). The marble used in the NY stock exchange annex, the statue in the Lincoln memorial, National Air and Space museum, east wing of the National Art Gallery, Federal Reserve Bank in Cleveland, and Buckingham Fountain in Chicago all came from marble mines in north Georgia. Some of the info from Wikipedia, some from my own knowledge.

Famous Georgians who might have contributed in some form..... I highlighted a few who caught my eye right off the bat, and this is not even a complete list. List from 50states.com.

Conrad Aiken poet, Savannah
James Bowie soldier, Burke County
Jim Brown actor, athlete, St. Simons Island
Erskine Caldwell writer, Moreland
James E. Carter U.S. president, Plains
Ray Charles singer, Albany
Lucius D. Clay banker, general, Marietta
Ty Cobb baseball player, Narrows
Charles Coburn movie and TV actor, Macon
Ossie Davis actor, writer, Cogdell
James Dickey poet, Atlanta
Mattiwilda Dobbs soprano, Atlanta
Melvyn Douglas actor, Macon
Pete Drake musician/record producer, Augusta
Rebecca Latimer Felton first appointed woman U.S. senator, Decatur
Lawrence Fishburne III actor, Augusta
Henry W. Grady journalist, Athens
Amy Grant singer, Augusta
Oliver Hardy comedian, Harlem
Joel Chandler Harris journalist, author, Eatonton
Roland Hayes singer, Curyville
Fletcher Henderson musician/songwriter, Cuthbert
Hulk Hogan professional wrestler, Augusta
John Henry Doc Holliday western hero, Griffin
Larry Holmes boxer, Cuthert
Miriam Hopkins actress, Bainbridge
Harry James trumpeter, Albany
Jasper Johns painter, sculptor, Augusta
Bobby Jones golfer, Atlanta
Stacy Keach actor, Savannah
DeForest Kelley actor, Atlanta
Martin Luther King, Jr. civil rights leader, Atlanta
Gladys Knight singer, Atlanta
Joseph R. Lamar jurist, Elbert
Brenda Lee singer, Lithonia
Juliette Gordon Low U.S. Girl Scouts founder, Savannah
Carson McCullers author, Columbus
Blind Willie McTell blues pioneer, Thomson
Johnny Mercer songwriter, Savannah
Margaret Mitchell author, Atlanta
John Robert Johnny Mize baseball player, Demorest
Jessye Norman singer, Augusta
Otis Redding singer, Dawson
Jerry Reed singer/songwriter/actor, Atlanta
Burt Reynolds actor, Waycross
Little Richard singer, Macon
Jackie Robinson baseball player, Cairo
Tommy Roe singer/songwriter, Alpharetta
Billy Joe Royal singer, Valdosta
Dean Rusk secretary of state, Cherokee Cty
Nipsey Russell comedian, Atlanta
Ray Stevens singer/songwriter, Clarksdale
Janelle Taylor romance novelist, Athens
Clarence Thomas supreme court associate justice, Savannah
Travis Tritt singer/songwriter, Marietta
Alice Walker author, Eatonton
Joanne Woodward actress, Thomasville
Trisha Yearwood singer, Monticello

Perhaps you should culture yourselves a bit and come down and experience the south for yourself before you pass judgment. Or you could continue living with a 200+ year old idea of the south, but whatever floats your boat.

[YamiB.]

Originally Posted by Enoch07

Wow that is almost racist. You really do not know your history if you think the civil war was solely about slavery. Like it matters to me, my ancestors never owned a slave and in fact the area I grew up in flew the union flag during the civil war even though it was in the confederacy.

Really sad to see how much ignorance of the south is being displayed here. If you cannot see what the south contributes then let me inform you. Not overlooking the abundance of food supplied by the warmer climates in the south we will just take Georgia for example........We have the CDC and Emory University in Atlanta (useless I am sure ), Delta Airlines is based here, Home Depot, UPS and AT&T mobile (Cingular Wireless). The marble used in the NY stock exchange annex, the statue in the Lincoln memorial, National Air and Space museum, east wing of the National Art Gallery, Federal Reserve Bank in Cleveland, and Buckingham Fountain in Chicago all came from marble mines in north Georgia. Some of the info from Wikipedia, some from my own knowledge.

Famous Georgians who might have contributed in some form..... I highlighted a few who caught my eye right off the bat, and this is not even a complete list. List from 50states.com.

Conrad Aiken poet, Savannah
James Bowie soldier, Burke County
Jim Brown actor, athlete, St. Simons Island
Erskine Caldwell writer, Moreland
James E. Carter U.S. president, Plains
Ray Charles singer, Albany
Lucius D. Clay banker, general, Marietta
Ty Cobb baseball player, Narrows
Charles Coburn movie and TV actor, Macon
Ossie Davis actor, writer, Cogdell
James Dickey poet, Atlanta
Mattiwilda Dobbs soprano, Atlanta
Melvyn Douglas actor, Macon
Pete Drake musician/record producer, Augusta
Rebecca Latimer Felton first appointed woman U.S. senator, Decatur
Lawrence Fishburne III actor, Augusta
Henry W. Grady journalist, Athens
Amy Grant singer, Augusta
Oliver Hardy comedian, Harlem
Joel Chandler Harris journalist, author, Eatonton
Roland Hayes singer, Curyville
Fletcher Henderson musician/songwriter, Cuthbert
Hulk Hogan professional wrestler, Augusta
John Henry Doc Holliday western hero, Griffin
Larry Holmes boxer, Cuthert
Miriam Hopkins actress, Bainbridge
Harry James trumpeter, Albany
Jasper Johns painter, sculptor, Augusta
Bobby Jones golfer, Atlanta
Stacy Keach actor, Savannah
DeForest Kelley actor, Atlanta
Martin Luther King, Jr. civil rights leader, Atlanta
Gladys Knight singer, Atlanta
Joseph R. Lamar jurist, Elbert
Brenda Lee singer, Lithonia
Juliette Gordon Low U.S. Girl Scouts founder, Savannah
Carson McCullers author, Columbus
Blind Willie McTell blues pioneer, Thomson
Johnny Mercer songwriter, Savannah
Margaret Mitchell author, Atlanta
John Robert Johnny Mize baseball player, Demorest
Jessye Norman singer, Augusta
Otis Redding singer, Dawson
Jerry Reed singer/songwriter/actor, Atlanta
Burt Reynolds actor, Waycross
Little Richard singer, Macon
Jackie Robinson baseball player, Cairo
Tommy Roe singer/songwriter, Alpharetta
Billy Joe Royal singer, Valdosta
Dean Rusk secretary of state, Cherokee Cty
Nipsey Russell comedian, Atlanta
Ray Stevens singer/songwriter, Clarksdale
Janelle Taylor romance novelist, Athens
Clarence Thomas supreme court associate justice, Savannah
Travis Tritt singer/songwriter, Marietta
Alice Walker author, Eatonton
Joanne Woodward actress, Thomasville
Trisha Yearwood singer, Monticello

Perhaps you should culture yourselves a bit and come down and experience the south for yourself before you pass judgment. Or you could continue living with a 200+ year old idea of the south, but whatever floats your boat.

Causes of the US Civil War and Southern Secession

There's already a topic about the connection of slavery to the Southern secession and the Civil War. It would be great if you wanted to join it since there has been little to no opposition so far to the idea that slavery was the reason for both events.

It was less than 200 years ago when the South fought to protect slavery. It was less than 200 years ago when they led the country in lynchings. It was less than 200 years ago when the Southern states led opposition to desegregation and miscegenation. And it was less than 200 years ago when Southern States showed some of the greatest support in the nation for denying homosexuals equality.

[tumbleweed41]

Originally Posted by Enoch07

Wow that is almost racist. You really do not know your history if you think the civil war was solely about slavery.

She never indicated that it was "solely" about slavery. (Although the individual states rights to have slaves was a central issue.)

So, how is the view up on your soapbox?

[Enoch07]

Originally Posted by YamiB.

Causes of the US Civil War and Southern Secession

There's already a topic about the connection of slavery to the Southern secession and the Civil War. It would be great if you wanted to join it since there has been little to no opposition so far to the idea that slavery was the reason for both events.

It was less than 200 years ago when the South fought to protect slavery. It was less than 200 years ago when they led the country in lynchings. It was less than 200 years ago when the Southern states led opposition to desegregation and miscegenation. And it was less than 200 years ago when Southern States showed some of the greatest support in the nation for denying homosexuals equality.

There is no discussion to be had. It is historical fact that the reasons the southern states seceded was: slavery, tariffs, and rights of the states vs. rights of the federal government. Slavery did play a major role in the Civil War, I never denied that. I just stated it was not the sole reason for the war, like so many like to believe. Not every southerner who wanted secession was a slave owner. It is foolish to think so and historically incorrect. I am not defending slave owners mind you, I am just stating not every southerner was a slave owner.

Here is something for your to digest. How come no one ever mentions one of the most infamous slave traders of all time was an African who enslaved and sold his own people? Tippu Tip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. How come slavery is still accepted and practiced in Africa? African slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

How many of you are wearing diamond jewelry right now? Do you know where the majority of diamonds come from? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nd_output2.PNG. Guess what most of the diamonds collected from Africa are collected by slaves (or close enough they might as well be). But that is not enough reason for most people to stop buying diamonds and thus supporting slavery is it?

Before you go off on southern states about gay rights here is something else for you to digest. Georgia has yet to even put it to a vote yet so we have neither confirmed or denied gay marriage.......so far. There is a fairly large gay community here and I would like to think when it does come to a vote it will pass (I'll support it anyways). Also on a side note look at the countries where homosexuality is actually illegal with punishment in fines or even death. LGBT rights by country or territory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.


So consider that before you start generalizing and vilifying people you know little to nothing about.