Being Pro-Choice Doesn't Mean I'm Supporting Murder (experience, science, disease)

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by dawny0826

They CAN FEEL PAIN at some point the third trimester. Pregnancies are often viable at 36 weeks gestation, sometimes prior to 36 weeks. Think of the babies born severely premture. If they can feel pain outside of the womb, surely they felt pain in the womb.

How can you be sure?

There are major physiological reactions and changes that are triggered by the baby's first breath, whatever the developmental age.

I'm definitely no doctor, but I realize that until that point, at least certain things in the brain are suppressed; if something as fundamental as the breathing reflex isn't yet present until birth, how can you be sure about other brain functions?

At that moment, all kinds of functions "turn on": breathing begins, the heart goes from pumping at ~4% capacity to 100%, the baby shows the first signs of alertness... a whole host of things change.

I think that often, the assumption is made that a few-minutes-old baby is identical to the fetus that was in the womb just before, but in reality, a huge number of things change in an instant. The moment of the first breath is probably only second to conception in this regard.

Now, are these changes enough to make a 39-week fetus not a person? I don't know... but I certainly don't think it's a given that we can assume that everything that's true for a full-term newborn baby is necessarily true for a full-term fetus.

[DallasApple]

if something as fundamental as the breathing reflex isn't yet present until birth, how can you be sure about other brain functions?

In the latter stages fetusus do "breath" in the amniotic fluid to expand or stretch the lungs.They are taking practice breaths so to speak.They also swallow it to get the digestive system some "practice" .

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Dallas

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by DallasApple

In the latter stages fetusus do "breath" in the amniotic fluid to expand or stretch the lungs.They are taking practice breaths so to speak.They also swallow it to get the digestive system some "practice" .

Right, but it's with that first real breath of air that the baby's brain effectively says... "okay...GO!" and all sorts of new things happen. It is a major physiological change.

And what I meant by "the breathing reflex" is what we have after birth: we breathe all the time... we don't even have to think about it. If we try to hold our breath, we build up more and more of a mental need to take a gasp. That's what I was getting at... not just the idea that the lungs can move a bit.

[DallasApple]

All she's made are absurd claims that hair and blood and cells are human, disregarding all the relevent evidance I'm making against her.

Hair and blood cells of HUMANS are human cells is what I said.And it can be IDENTIFIED as so.To the EXCLUSION of belonging to any other animal species.

Not according to any credible scientists. It hasn't yet reached the stage in life where you can call it a human. Maybe you should read some biology books to get versed on the subject?

Maybe you should contact the FBI and point them to these "credible scientist" so they can be allerted that the hair sample evidence from the trunk of a car they have for Caylee Anthony is "absurd".That not only can they not say its "human caucasian hair"..they further can not say its the hair of a dead human(the death band in the hair is subjective)..and how outrageous it is to try and claim through DNA evidence that it could only belong to one specific HUMAN that is the deceased Caylee Anthony.

Since hair can not be 'human cells" its just plain old hair.

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Dallas

[DarkMaster24]

Dallas, you can stop spamming my thread now.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by DarkMaster24

Dallas, you can stop spamming my thread now.

She's not spamming the thread; you're just not getting her point, apparently.

[DarkMaster24]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

She's not spamming the thread; you're just not getting her point, apparently.

Yeah, I was joking. I've just gotten so sick of debating this same issue for the past 3 days. You win Dallas. What can I say?

[DallasApple]

Originally Posted by DarkMaster24

Yeah, I was joking. I've just gotten so sick of debating this same issue for the past 3 days. You win Dallas. What can I say?

Actually its not really a debate in my eyes.You're trying to disbute known facts.To me a debate is when different views can be argued.

My post..no matter how much they are irritating you are not "spam".They are facts that are indisputable.

I think you may just not be articualting what you are meaning very well.Because I can not believe you would argue that a cell is just a cell and it cant be identified as to what species.In this case human.

If this is true..you have just halted human biological forensic science in its tracks.As well as disease prevention and cure research.Just to name a couple.

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Dallas

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by DallasApple

If this is true..you have just halted human biological forensic science in its tracks.As well as disease prevention and cure research.Just to name a couple.

Paternity tests...

[DarkMaster24]

Originally Posted by DallasApple

Actually its not really a debate in my eyes.You're trying to disbute known facts.To me a debate is when different views can be argued.

My post..no matter how much they are irritating you are not "spam".They are facts that are indisputable.

I think you may just not be articualting what you are meaning very well.Because I can not believe you would argue that a cell is just a cell and it cant be identified as to what species.In this case human.

If this is true..you have just halted human biological forensic science in its tracks.As well as disease prevention and cure research.Just to name a couple.

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Dallas

I've figured it out, I'm just not understanding the beef of your posts because your writing style is so borring I cna barley handle reading anything you say, so instead I skim it, but now I see what you mean.

I wasn't "disbuting" (whatever that means) that a human cell couldn't be identified as that, I was argueing that a human cell was just a human cell, not a human.

I apologize if I didn't make my point clear.