Redefining Contraception as Abortion (moral, birth control, abstinence, beliefs, marriage)

[Natas]

Originally Posted by Saint Tigeress

...I know so many girls that had good intentions, didn't plan on getting pregnant, but because they were just flat out stupid, ignorant, didn't care, or completely irresponsible (or all of the above)...

I think I dated some of these girls in college.

Originally Posted by Saint Tigeress

I want to backhand some people. Or maybe I am just in a hateful mood. I have been in a hateful mood for quite a little while now.

Welcome to the club! I would love to backhand people who don't share my beliefs.
This may be a consequence of too much liberation though.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by Alceste

The biggest reason abstinence education gets on my nerves is that it's OBVIOUS that not having sex results in not getting pregnant. It only took me about ten seconds to type that out. After that, what else is there to say, or "teach"? So where is all that funding going? On the other hand, there is a heck of a lot that can be said about sex, relationships, contraception, STDs, abortion, human biology and foetal development. And it's all interesting.What kind of exam do you have to pass at the end of an abstinence course? "Q: Pregnancy and STDs can be avoided by a) having sex. b) not having sex." Very high standards of education the Bush administration expects for American kids. Not.

Abstinence-only sex ed isn't just a simplified, dumbed down version of sex ed. It's the imposition of religious belief into our education and public policy. They think that sex before marriage is morally wrong. So they don't want to teach kids about contraception because they think it will only encourage them to have sex. And they are definitely against teach about abortion because that to their minds is even more wrong.

The funding is going into drilling it into kids that sex before marriage is morally wrong.

[Storm]

Well, to be fair, Lil, my abstinence-only sex ed didn't drill into us that premarital sex is morally wrong. They just told us that condoms don't work.

[UnTheist]

Originally Posted by Father Heathen

Our rights and liberty should always be of the highest priority.

Nah, I don't think so.

[Father Heathen]

Originally Posted by UnTheist

Nah, I don't think so.

oic kk

[UnTheist]

kthxbai?

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by dawny0826

I don't like Pelosi and I find it ironic that she'd make such a comment. What has she done in her career to push PREVENTION of unwanted pregnancies?

And I don't mean any disrespect when I say this but it sounds like people trying to project their religious morality onto those who do not share their way of life.

[Comet]

The New York Times reports that the Bush Administration’s Department of Health and Human Services is drafting a rule that would place new restrictions on domestic family planning programs. While current law allows health care providers and professionals to refuse to provide abortions based on their religious beliefs, this provision would threaten the funding of organizations and health facilities if they do not hire people who would refuse to provide birth control and defines abortion so broadly that it would include many types of birth control, including oral contraception.

You are all off base her a bit from what I have read. That is the opening quote from the article listed in the OP. So let me brake some of it down for you.....

This "law" would not outlaw abortion nor contraceptions.... NOR would it change the law that PRIVATE comanies and professionals could refuse such things due to their philosophical/religious beliefs. As for the threat of redefining abortion "so broadly" that BLA BLA BLA... abortion is LEGAL in the US. Don't lose sight of that! How could they outlaw the 48 hour pill or whatever it is called now if abortion is still legal????? Hmmm.... Some of you read too much into this all.

The fact of the matter is this: A lame duck President. Once he is no longer President, he has to still have the support of those with $ that supported his elections, etc... Make a futal attempt to please the "religious right" so once you are out of office, you still have your wealthy supporters to make business deals with etc...

Another bad program to cut back spending.... please the Republicans as well.... get it now?

Anybody with "two cents" who puts any "cents" into this changing anything.... you have no sence.

[Storm]

Comet, redefining contraception as abortion allows insurance companies to stop covering it, and in some cases forbids it to state plans, upon which many low-income women (myself included) are dependent.

[Comet]

I forgot to mention this too:

A democrat President with a democrat Congress= MORE GOVERNMENTSPENDING AND PROGRAMS.

A move like this will put republicans in a better position come the election in 4 years..... it is all about polotics: personal and national.... POLOTICS!