If you make over 75,000 a year, are you rich? (hell)

[Reverend Rick]

Originally Posted by nutshell

Rick, there are people who are starving. Their are children going hungry. Many of these victims are not saved by the safety nets you profess exist. Many of them work harder and have less than you and me.

What about them, Rick?

Who on earth cannot get food stamps, go to a food bank or to a shelter?

Or do you still deny their existence?

Do you have any examples of these people? People who get up and work all day, but are starving?

You believe in God without any tangible evidence, but you deny the children crying at night saying, "Mommy, mommy, I'm so hungry."

Huh? I deny no one. You make America sound like a third world country. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink I guess.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

Who on earth cannot get food stamps, go to a food bank or to a shelter?

Food stamps are underfunded. Food banks have limits on how often you can go to them, imx a maximum of once a month. Most shelters have time limits on how long you can stay, generally a month.

[Father Heathen]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

I deny no one. You make America sound like a third world country.

There ARE parts of the U.S. that are pretty 3rd world. It's funny how different the Christians are from their own Christ (that dirty commie) when it comes to aiding the poor and downtrodden.

[UltraViolet]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

So the government needs to supplement your income because YOU decide to live in an expensive city and have six kids? Basically what you are saying is everyone in this country should be dependant on the government if they choose to live beyond their means.

Do you know why I had 4 beautiful children we cannot afford?
The Roman Catholic Church, and my adherence to it's irresponsible doctrines.
So my fault? yes. My own stupidity for listening to another for truth.

Still I adore each precious child and wouldn't "take any of them back".

But we are a slowly sinking ship...
and we need to get out of NJ.
But when you have no money...
moves are no easy feat.

[Reverend Rick]

Originally Posted by Father Heathen

There ARE parts of the U.S. that are pretty 3rd world. It's funny how different the Christians are from their own Christ (that dirty commie) when it comes to aiding the poor and downtrodden.

What on earth do you mean? You have NO IDEA what I have done for the poor and down trodden.

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by Father Heathen

There ARE parts of the U.S. that are pretty 3rd world.

Where? There are surely some isolated situations where children are neglected by the adults in their lives, and therefore go to bed hungry. But is that because the government isn't giving them enough, or because the adults are being irresponsible? If the assistance received (welfare) is managed correctly, do they still not have enough to eat at the end of the month?

I never received any help from any charity or welfare program when I raised my kids. We also rarely had fast food or ate out. I cooked very cheaply and made most everything from scratch. We also grew a garden and I canned everything I could. I shopped at thrift stores, and sewed. I took in babysitting to pay for dental work because we weren't insured.
There is also the Gleaner program where free food is available if you are willing to gather, harvest or go get it.

I've never heard of shelters turning away children. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm not seeing the 3rd world thing here in our country except in a few exceptional cases that are usually corrected when discovered.

[Reverend Rick]

Originally Posted by Starfish

Where? There are surely some isolated situations where children are neglected by the adults in their lives, and therefore go to bed hungry. But is that because the government isn't giving them enough, or because the adults are being irresponsible? If the assistance received (welfare) is managed correctly, do they still not have enough to eat at the end of the month?

I never received any help from any charity or welfare program when I raised my kids. We also rarely had fast food or ate out. I cooked very cheaply and made most everything from scratch. We also grew a garden and I canned everything I could. I shopped at thrift stores, and sewed. I took in babysitting to pay for dental work because we weren't insured.
There is also the Gleaner program where free food is available if you are willing to gather, harvest or go get it.

I've never heard of shelters turning away children. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm not seeing the 3rd world thing here in our country except in a few exceptional cases that are usually corrected when discovered.

Starfish, they act like we don't have a clue when we might have been the people they speak of at some time in our life. I still grow a garden and can.

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

Starfish, they act like we don't have a clue when we might have been the people they speak of at some time in our life. I still grow a garden and can.

I don't can much anymore, but I STILL can't buy anything if it's not on clearance. Frugality is in my bones.

I remember as a child, when the electricity or water was turned off when the bill hadn't been paid. In junior high, I cut up some old clothes found in a trunk in the basement and used the fabric to make school clothes so I'd have something new to wear to school. Getting a box of used clothes from a cousin was like Christmas.

But I was never hungry.

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by Starfish

Where? There are surely some isolated situations where children are neglected by the adults in their lives, and therefore go to bed hungry. But is that because the government isn't giving them enough, or because the adults are being irresponsible? If the assistance received (welfare) is managed correctly, do they still not have enough to eat at the end of the month?

I never received any help from any charity or welfare program when I raised my kids. We also rarely had fast food or ate out. I cooked very cheaply and made most everything from scratch. We also grew a garden and I canned everything I could. I shopped at thrift stores, and sewed. I took in babysitting to pay for dental work because we weren't insured.
There is also the Gleaner program where free food is available if you are willing to gather, harvest or go get it.

I've never heard of shelters turning away children. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm not seeing the 3rd world thing here in our country except in a few exceptional cases that are usually corrected when discovered.

You realize that you are lucky?

Not everybody has those, "Oh-so-wonderful-skills," of yours. I'm assuming you haven't traveled all that much in the US and seem some of the poorer parts of places?