Obama and McCain win Wisconsin (hell)

[Reverend Rick]

Originally Posted by stephenw

Is the age of the candidates a factor?

Yes, One is too old and the other too inexperienced.

[stephenw]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

Yes, One is too old and the other too inexperienced.

Given that, do you think younger voters will go for Obama while older voters will go for McCain and it'll be down to who can get their voters to turn out?

[Reverend Rick]

Originally Posted by stephenw

Given that, do you think younger voters will go for Obama while older voters will go for McCain and it'll be down to who can get their voters to turn out?

I believe this election will have a record turn out. Not for love of McCain but because of the polarizing affect Obama has.

[nutshell]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

What is a health care system that won't work going to cost?

You're assuming a national plan won't work.


Which is better: Spending money abroad in a war without purpose? OR, spending it at home to provide health services to every man, woman, and child in this country?

[Izdaari]

I really like Obama. If only he weren't wrong on all the issues!

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by Izdaari

I really like Obama. If only he weren't wrong on all the issues!

He's correct about Iraq and the need for cautious diplomacy in a dangerous world (much closer to correct than McCain, anyway). I disagree with Obama on several issues, but I find him preferable to the alternatives.

And in the end, it's OUR Presidency, not the candidate's anyway, unless we the people remain too lazy or too scared to care what's going on, and trust politicians with our money, safety and the future we leave to our children and grandchildren. I for one don't trust them . . . so the more a candidate insists he or she knows what's best and is committed to their course, the less likely he or she is to get my vote. Eight years of "The Decider" is quite enough, thank you.

The issues in a campaign don't matter, unless you and I are inspired to engage in the governing process ourselves - paying attention, making our voices heard, participating the policy dialogue. Without that, the "issues" are - as they have been for a while - empty campaign trail rhetoric. If so, there's no point in comparing them because they are all just lies.

[Reverend Rick]

Originally Posted by nutshell

You're assuming a national plan won't work.

And your assuming it will.

Take a look at the current medicare situation. Doctors receive what medicare wants to pay for a paticular service which is next to nothing. Many doctors just retire rather than work for nothing.

Young new doctors often do not accept medicare or tell new patients looking for a new doctor (because the old one retired), that they are not accepting new patients all the while folks with blue cross walk in for the very first time every day.

When all these people get national health care, there will not be one more doctor than before. People wait long enough for an appointment as it is.

What will happen is, people with national health care will have to wait for ever to get an appointment while folks with premium health care will go to the front of the line.

I would estimate that most doctors will just not be accepting new patients at this time. That will be the rhetoric, watch and see.

[doppelgänger]

Obama isn't proposing a national healthcare system that would function anything like Medicaid.

His proposal is a buy in option to the federal coverage plan with the same scope of coverage available to Senators and Congressmen, with a system of subsidies paid to help lower income people who can't afford the premiums. They'll still pay some. And anyone who wants to stay on the own plan may continue to do so. He also plans to expand SCHIP and Medicare.

This is why Hillary is complaining that Obama's plan doesn't guarantee coverage to every American - because it doesn't. It's a lot more modest than her proposal, and probably a lot more feasible.

Here's Obama's plan: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pd...reFullPlan.pdf

The way Rick is talking, it sounds like he doesn't even know what Obama's plan contains.