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Old 08-02-2007, 10:48 PM
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Do Mormons oppose government welfare because they know that they'll never need it?

I don't think it's a secret that most Mormons are conservative Republicans. Part of the reason is that members of the church are taught self-reliance and responsibility; therefore, we don't expect to have to rely on the government for assistance. This is an idea that is embraced by the Republican party (in theory), so it makes sense that Mormons would be Republicans.

Anyway, I was walking through Wal-mart and got to thinking - is the real reason that Mormons are so opposed to gov't welfare because we already have a built-in welfare system with the church and don't need the government to bail us out?

If you need food, money, clothing, etc - the church has got your back because of the Fast Offering program. With this program, members of a congregation skip two meals once a month and donate a "generous fast offering" (the cost of the two meals + whatever else you can afford to give) to the church. This money stays in the ward and is used to help the members in the local area. Extra money is sent to the church and then redistributed to wards as needed.

The fast offering money can be used for just about anything. When I was the Ward Clerk I wrote checks for doctor bills, utility bills, rent payments, etc. People can get vouchers for food and clothing. The family works with the local Bishop and Relief Society President to make sure that their needs are being met.

Here is what the church welfare program includes:
  • 80 church welfare farms, raches, and dairies (including the largest Beef Ranch in the world)
  • 80 cannery facilities
  • 137 bishop storehouses (where people can pick up free food and basic household item)
  • 100 home storage centers
  • 44 Deseret Industries Thrift Stores (kind of like a Goodwill)
  • 285 Employment Centers
  • 69 LDS Social Services offices
Here is the website for the LDS welfare program: http://www.providentliving.org/

One principle of the LDS welfare program is that there are really no "free handouts." Those recieving the welfare volunteer at the canneries, on the farms, at the church, etc. This allows people to earn the assistance they are receiving in a way. I believe they are also expected to pay tithing to the church (10% of their income - if they have income).


I know that a system like this would never work through the federal government, so that's not what I'm suggesting. I'm just wondering if this system contributes to Mormons leaning to the right. It isn't that we are opposed to the socialistic principles that the government wants to impose; rather, we have no need for this because we are already doing it on our own. In some ways, we're paying double - once for the church welfare program and once for the government welfare program.
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Old 08-10-2007, 01:38 PM
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Right, and since non-Mormons don't matter, it all works out.

One thought that occurs to me are the fundamentalist polygamous Mormons in Northern Arizona whose multiple wives and children live off TANF because they officially have no husband. They would be an exception, I suppose.
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This makes no sense to me at all -- because the welfare comes from the church it isnt considered welfare? if the church didnt have that kind of set-up they would be in the food stamp office or a soup kitchen like everyone else in unfortunate circumstances -- pretty hypocritical from my point of view

How is this hating government welfare?? A handout is a handout -- plain and simple
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In my opinion it's because anyone who lies on the extreme (ie. like you said a conservative Republican or a liberal Democrat) will tend to base their beliefs on party lines instead of individual issues.

For example, I know that I am a very conservative Republican, therefore I think welfare steals income from moral, hard-working Americans. This person ignores the many moral, hardworking people that welfare helps.

OR

For example, I know that I am a very liberal Democrat, therefore I think we need welfare to live in a humane society. This person ignores the examples of welfare being abused - ie. drug dealers, criminals, tax evaders, etc.
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Did anybody actually read what jonny posted?

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Did anybody actually read what jonny posted?

We do not agree with government welfare because we believe that people should work for it. How is that a problem?
I was answering the question posed in the thread title.
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Did anybody actually read what jonny posted?

We do not agree with government welfare because we believe that people should work for it. How is that a problem?
Yeah, I did, and I got something very different out of it. He's saying that maybe you don't believe in government welfare because you have a Church that takes on that obligation.

Which is great for you, but leaves non-Mormons high and dry. How is that fair?
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Okay, so you don't like government welfare, as conservatives you want as small a government as can be, makes sense to me. You can also take care of your own, great! Does this extend to people of your community that are not LDS? If not, why do the LDS in your community get this kind of help whereas the others have no where else to turn but to the government?
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You can also take care of your own, great! Does this extend to people of your community that are not LDS?
Absolutely.

We ask if they come in for welfare and get it, if they would in turn help in the welfare stores and things. We will help anyone that will come (as to my knowledge). This is how I think government welfare should be. If you are going to get something, why not work for it to help others who need it as well?
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Personally I don't care for the welfare system and think that people should get a hand-up rather than a hand out. I think the system the LDS church has worked out is a great one, because it is more directly a give-and-take system.

But, don't you think it's a little unfair to say that Mormons don't like government welfare because they don't want to pay to help people not in the church? Just because the system isn't perfect doesn't mean that people who need some help shouldn't get it.

To me, it seems a bit selfish and implies that you're basically saying that you're only interested in helping fellow Mormons.

Like I said, I'm not a big fan of the welfare system either, but I think the idea you're presenting is a bit unfair (unless of course I've misread your post).
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