I Support Amnesty (America, Zen)

[Reverend Rick]

We are not going to secure our borders. Why don't we just make Mexico our next state?

[jonny]

Originally Posted by kadzbiz

I wasn't. I was just addressing the point made by Sunstone being "Which economy is that? Are you suggesting that the US doesn't have the infrastructure to support 11 to 12 million illegals?"

And BTW, did you see the question I posted for you above? Awaiting a response.

He asked how speeding costs us money. I gave an answer. Your response made no sense. What's there to reply to?

[jonny]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

We are not going to secure our borders. Why don't we just make Mexico our next state?

We stole most of the country that was worth anything. We might as well take the rest.

[kadzbiz]

Originally Posted by jonny

..... police spending time pulling people over instead of doing other important things......

Originally Posted by jonny

He asked how speeding costs us money. I gave an answer. Your response made no sense. What's there to reply to?

Have a look at what you said in the first above quote.

And you think my response made no sense!

[nutshell]

Originally Posted by jonny

Off the top of my head - higher gas prices because of lower gas mileage, police spending time pulling people over instead of doing other important things, and costs associated with accidents caused by speeders. I'm sure if I researched it I could find a lot more.

And I'm sure if you researched it you'd see the cost pales in comparison with the cost of illegals.

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by jonny

I've been listening to the political debate about this immigration plan, and find myself wanting to just give people who are in this country working legal citizenship.

What's wrong with me? It seems like everyone is hating on immigrants. These people came here for the same reason that my ancestors came from Europe - because they wanted a better life. It's not their fault that the US Government decided to close off its borders and make it impossible for people to immigrate here.

I do not support Amnesty, when you encourage a behavior economically, the supply increases. In this case, we are encouraging breaking the law. We are also telling all those people who are trying to do it the right way that we don't respect our own laws but we expect them to.

Pretty poor policy if you ask me.

[Ciscokid]

A little blurb from Wiki:

Mexico has a free market economy, and is firmly established as an upper middle-income country[17] with the highest per capita income in nominal terms in Latin America,[18] and it is the 12th largest economy in the world as measured in Gross Domestic Product in purchasing power parity.[19] After the 1994 economic debacle, Mexico has made an impressive recovery, building a modern and diversified economy.[18] Recent administrations have also improved infrastructure and opened competition in seaports, railroads, telecommunications, electricity generation, natural gas distribution and airports.
According to the director for Colombia and Mexico of the World Bank, the population in extreme poverty has decreased from 24.2% to 17.6% in the general population and from 42% to 27.9% in rural areas from 2000-2004.[20] Nonetheless, income inequality remains a problem, and huge gaps remain not only between rich and poor but also between the north and the south, the urban and the rural areas. Sharp contrasts in income and Human Development are also a grave problem in Mexico. The 2004 United Nations Human Development Index report for Mexico states that, Benito Juárez, one of the districts in the Distrito Federal and San Pedro Garza García, in the State of Nuevo León, would have a similar level of economic, educational and life expectancy development to that of Germany or New Zealand and Metlatonoc in the state of Guerrero, would have an HDI similar to that of Malawi.[21][22]
Many of the positive effects in poverty reduction and the increase in purchasing power of the middle class are attributed to the macroeconomic stability pursued by the last two administrations. GDP annual average growth for the period of 1995-2002 was 5.1%.[23] The economic downturn in the United States also caused a similar pattern in Mexico, of which it rapidly recovered to grow 4.1% in 2005 and 3% in 2005. Inflation has reached a record low of 3.3% in 2005, and interest rates are low, which have spurred credit-consumption in the middle class. The Fox administration also provided monetary stability: budget deficit was further reduced and foreign debt was decreased to less than 20% of GDP.[23] Mexico shares, with Chile the highest rating of long-term sovereign credit in Latin America.
Being one of the most open countries in the world, almost 90% of Mexican trade has been put under free trade agreements with over 40 countries, of which the North American Free Trade Agreement remains the most influential: close to 90% of Mexican exports go to the United States and Canada, and close to 55% from its imports come from these two countries. Other major trade agreements have been signed with the European Union, Japan, Israel and many countries in Central and South America.
Tourism in Mexico is a large industry, the third in importance. The most notable tourist draws are the ancient Meso-American ruins, and popular beach resorts. The coastal climate and unique culture – a fusion of the European (particularly Spanish) and the Meso-American – also make Mexico attractive. The peak tourist seasons in Mexico are during December and during July and August, with brief surges during the week before Easter and surges during spring break at many of the beach resort sites which are popular with vacationing college students from the United States.
Ongoing economic concerns include the commercial and financial dependence on the US,[24] low real wages, underemployment for a large segment of the population, inequitable income distribution (top 20% of income earners account for 55% of income), and few advancement opportunities for the largely Amerindian population in the impoverished southern states.

[jonny]

Originally Posted by kadzbiz

Have a look at what you said in the first above quote.

And you think my response made no sense!

I never said that there were no benefits to these costs. Of course there are benefits. All I was showing is how it costs money.

Now, I hope you're not ignorant enough to suggest that there are no benefits to having these illegal immigrants in our country.