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Old 04-15-2007, 07:02 PM
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Two good points.

If these unwanted children would have grown up and got jobs, the social security system would be in better shape as well.
It's not my responsibility to have a baby to support you when you get old.
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:04 PM
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Rich daddy has to go along with popular opinion in his community or risk becoming an outcast, and churches are a central theme in affluent communities.
That's all nice and danddy, but unless you can show that it's related to some official doctrine in their community, it's irrelavent.
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:09 PM
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Well, it's not exactly the same Victor. One side is working to preserve a right we have and the other side is working to eliminate it. Plus, pro-choice isn't about pushing abortion on anyone. Probably about 90% of the people I talk to on a regular basis are pro-choice and I don't know anyone who would push someone to have an abortion. This debate about abortion really isn't about life...it's about freedom.
A right we have? Nature itself knows NOTHING about rights. Rights are formed and interpreted by someones world view. The same goes with our American documents. Anyone voting and pushing something into legislation is indirectly pushing for either a right or to stop something. It's really no different. Both theist and non-theist bring subjective ideas to the table and things form from there. Freedom has never been about doing whatever strikes you fancy (and I know you don't believe this either). So this should at the very least indicate it's bound to STOP some things.
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:13 PM
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A right we have? Nature itself knows NOTHING about rights. Rights are formed and interpreted by someones world view. The same goes with our American documents. Anyone voting and pushing something into legislation is indirectly pushing for either a right or to stop something. It's really no different. Both theist and non-theist bring subjective ideas to the table and things form from there. Freedom has never been about doing whatever strikes you fancy (and I know you don't believe this either). So this should at the very least indicate it's bound to STOP some things.
What does nature have to do with this?
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:15 PM
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I guess everyone has an opinion about everything. Why would abortion be an issue for the gay and lesbian community?
why is it an issue for you?
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:21 PM
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Two good points.

If these unwanted children would have grown up and got jobs, the social security system would be in better shape as well.
and the welfare system would be in worse shape if they didnt
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:39 PM
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What about the human population problem? These children would have gone on to create more children who would create more children who would create more children, etc, etc.
Worrying about the human population problem is a moot point when people walk into this country every day illegally.
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:42 PM
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It's not my responsibility to have a baby to support you when you get old.
Who's responsibility will it be when you get old?
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why is it an issue for you?
It's not an issue for me. Is it permissible to ask a question in a thread?
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