Is Abortion really an issue for Gay's and Lesbians? (homosexuals, choice)

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by Mike182

Comp, just what are you trying to say here?

i suspect you are right, less conservatives will have abortions than liberals, but reading your comment about Darwin and implying survival of the fittest, are you trying to say that conservatives are a superior breed than liberals?

I was just being funny with the Darwin portion, no offense intended. I know it is difficult to pick out humor sometimes when we can't see each other's faces...

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Originally Posted by standing_alone

Of course I understand that most conservatives look on abortion with disfavor. However, under certain circumstances, some people will act against their principles. Perhaps, under certain economic conditions or at the demands of a partner, someone may make a choice to get an abortion.

Unfortunately I agree. I wish nobody would sacrifice their principles...

Going with my gut, I would tend to feel that the majority of those who decide to get an abortion are liberal. However, not seeing any sort of data or study on the self-identified political ideologies of people who get an abortion, I make this statement with no certainty and it is, for all effects, meaningless, as are your similar statements. Very well the majority of women who get abortions could be self-identified liberals, or maybe it's close to half and half, or, maybe even, a good number of these women are politically apathetic or don't identify with any political ideology. The thing is, we don't know.

I guess one could look at it that way, but it is unreasonable to me. One side sees abortion as legitimate, the other sees it as murder. Take drinking alcohol for example, the general population sees drinking alcohol as something acceptable, LDS see it as a sin, one would think that the vast majority of alcohol drinkers are not LDS even though there are undoubtedly some LDS who drink.

These women who have made the choice to get an abortion have made a very difficult decision. We likely do not fully understand the circumstances involved that motivated them to make such a decision. Rather than reducing the issue of abortion to the typical conservative-liberal slap fest, we should make an effort to understand what situations and circumstances lead to a woman making such a choice (such as things, perhaps, like access to and cost of contraception), so as to deal with such circumstances in the hopes of more women not being put into the situation where they even have to make such a choice (taking that choice away, however; doesn't address such problems). As they have made a very difficult decision, whether we agree with it or not, I think these women deserve to not be berated by individuals attempting to take the moral high ground, or to be called murderers, or to have their difficult decision reduced to a means by which to make little quips about political ideologies we don't like (i.e. "liberals are killing themselves off"). Abortion is, after all, a complex and serious issue that directly affects the lives of many and indirectly affects the lives of all.

I didn't think I was reducing it to a "slap-fest" honestly I am amazed that anyone would argue that it isn't almost all liberals who get abortions. It wasn't intended as an insult, I thought everyone agreed that it was liberals who got the majority of abortions and so I was applying that premise to the question in the OP. If it is true that liberals get most of the abortions then it does affect their total population and therefore elections.

For those who see nothing wrong with getting an abortion, why would they be insulted when I say that they get abortions?

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Originally Posted by GeneCosta

Why do you exclude moderates and libertarians and statists and the non-political?

There's no evidence of what you claim.

I can give you circumstantial evidence, most abortions take place in big cities, big cities are mostly liberal...

in this case I was talking about social liberals which would include those who have a liberal view on abortion. The word liberal wasn't invented for the democratic party you know. It has existed long before america did.

So it's true that only two issues (abortion and gay marriage) determine whether one is conservative these days? A sad turn of events.

somebody else said this, not me.

[Majikthise]

I'd like to know how many college girls get pregnant and have their rich conservative daddys pay for the abortion so it won't ruin the family name? Abortion aint cheap, and I see a lot of big families in the poorer neighborhoods of my city. The same poor some claim make up the majority of the liberal party.
Liberals aren't going to be any more prone to getting abortions than conservatives.
I believe it depends more on your religioun than your political affiliation.

[GeneCosta]

The word liberal wasn't invented for the democratic party you know. It has existed long before america did.

I'm not a Democrat, so yes, I know.

most abortions take place in big cities, big cities are mostly liberal...

Again, most people are apolitical, and moderates and libertarians usually have an array of beliefs.

Most abortions happen in big cities because the poor aren't usually found in suburbs. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050400820.html

[bflydad]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

I was wondering if there were many pro life people in the Gay and Lesbian community? Perhaps they would like to adopt the unwanted children.

My understanding is it is very difficult for homosexuals to adopt, especially for men.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Majikthise

I'd like to know how many college girls get pregnant and have their rich conservative daddys pay for the abortion so it won't ruin the family name? Abortion aint cheap, and I see a lot of big families in the poorer neighborhoods of my city. The same poor some claim make up the majority of the liberal party.
Liberals aren't going to be any more prone to getting abortions than conservatives.
I believe it depends more on your religioun than your political affiliation.

Well then, it tends to be the more liberal theological minded movements that are ok with abotions. Rich daddys pay for abortions for reasons other then their religious inclinations.

[Ðanisty]

Originally Posted by Victor

Well, this really is no different then what pro-lifers or most thiest do. Except when we do it, it labeled as "stop pushing your religion/faith on everybody". Isn't it odd how that works?

Well, it's not exactly the same Victor. One side is working to preserve a right we have and the other side is working to eliminate it. Plus, pro-choice isn't about pushing abortion on anyone. Probably about 90% of the people I talk to on a regular basis are pro-choice and I don't know anyone who would push someone to have an abortion. This debate about abortion really isn't about life...it's about freedom.

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

This was going so well until just now. I'm sorry, they were not conservatives in my opinion.

Why? There are so many other issues involved. They may be very conservative and would never have an abortion, but they aren't trying to make that decision for someone else. Is the definition of conservative a person who tries to make decisions for other people?

Originally Posted by Comprehend

For those who see nothing wrong with getting an abortion, why would they be insulted when I say that they get abortions?

This is an assumption. I don't think anyone is insulted. I think they're just pointing out that you haven't provided any data. Even if you had, I'm pretty sure a conservative would either not admit to getting an abortion or not admit to being conservative...gotta save face and all.