Allegations of Torture (reject, faith, service, verse, religion)

[Feathers in Hair]

In order to continue from another thread, I tried to create a discussion thread about the topic. About midway through creating it, though, I realized it would be nearly impossible to do so without debating. I also remembered how extremely poor my research skills in the political area are, since I'm not very good at finding the 'heart' of the story.

The topic of the debate is: Did George W. Bush allow or, through delegating to others, alllow others to allow torture? Do we have proof that this has been happening? If it's not been happening, why did Bush seek to be able to interrogate 'enemy combatants' in apparent violation of the Geneva Convention? (As rejected by the Senate and discussed in this thread.)

Because of my aforementioned shortcomings when it comes to research, I'll try to stay out of the debate itself.

[kai]

Originally Posted by FeathersinHair

In order to continue from another thread, I tried to create a discussion thread about the topic. About midway through creating it, though, I realized it would be nearly impossible to do so without debating. I also remembered how extremely poor my research skills in the political area are, since I'm not very good at finding the 'heart' of the story.

The topic of the debate is: Did George W. Bush allow or, through delegating to others, alllow others to allow torture? Do we have proof that this has been happening? If it's not been happening,

(As rejected by the Senate and discussed in this thread.)

Because of my aforementioned shortcomings when it comes to research, I'll try to stay out of the debate itself.

is this what he is actually seeking, and does article 3 deny the interrogation of enemy combatants

here is article three

Article 3

In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:

1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;

(b) Taking of hostages;

(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;

(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.

An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict.

The Parties to the conflict should further endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of the present Convention.

The application of the preceding provisions shall not affect the legal status of the Parties to the conflict.
Now what exactly is Bush trying to do with this article?

[robtex]

e. rendition and the war on terror

[Feathers in Hair]

(Sorry, Rob! Didn't realize that this had already been tackled. )

[kai]

Originally Posted by robtex

e. rendition and the war on terror

i saw that thread but its not answering my question on article 3

[robtex]

Originally Posted by FeathersinHair

(Sorry, Rob! Didn't realize that this had already been tackled. )

it is an old thread from back in January. However it is rich in links and info.

[Feathers in Hair]

Kai, here's a what appears to be a good summary of the situation.

[kai]

Originally Posted by FeathersinHair

Kai, here's a what appears to be a good summary of the situation.

thanks feathers this dealt alot with abu graib , i am hearing a lot of people saying that bush is trying to legalise torture but i am not seeing the evidence for that. the perpetrators of torture at abu graib are brought to trial how it happened is a sorry tale but this is a little different