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Old 07-03-2012, 11:22 AM
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There are things the Libertarians stand for that I agree with, and things I don't. Same as the Republicans and Democrats. I think the current problem with the Republican party is the fact that there aren't very many Republicans in charge of it anymore. The Democrats have become more moderate than in the past but they now lack the power or resolve to effect change. The libertarians are still too grass roots and don't have the momentum necessary to gain the White House.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:08 PM
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Sure, it's what you guys have likes and preferences for, but what I was getting at is; difference does it actually make?
That's it.....rub it in.....we make no difference, except perhaps for a slight
influence upon those in power who might lean a little more towards liberty.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:12 PM
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I'm just ... disenchanted with regards to ideologies, parties or political action in the present climate of absolute cynicism pervading the corridors of power.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:20 PM
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OK....so we're not the problem. We're few in number & marginalilzed cuz we're scary extreme.
But I wish people did carp about us as in the title....it would mean that we mattered.

So....which would be worse, Libertarians or Republicans in power?
I think history, recent history, has proved quite well the disastrous effects of both Democrats and Republicans in power.

I think the Sniff Our Own Butts party could do a better job at this point. Or is that party nothing more than a combination of Democrats and Republicans.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:23 PM
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Nope.
I can assure you that we're sincere.
We really do believe all the stuff we go on about.
Fundamentalists are usually sincere; but also sincerely wrong! Libertarian political theory makes a lot of unfounded presumptions - like markets being self-regulating. The contrary is the fact - markets are irrational because people act in irrational ways in market bubbles and collapses. Without the "invisible hand" guiding the market to the best possible solutions, the libertarian political agenda of eliminating government programs, safeguards and watchdog agencies falls apart.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:26 PM
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Fundamentalists are usually sincere; but also sincerely wrong!
"Wrong" doesn't even apply. Neither are we "right".
It's just that we prefer a system with more liberty.

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Libertarian political theory makes a lot of unfounded presumptions - like markets being self-regulating. The contrary is the fact - markets are irrational because people act in irrational ways in market bubbles and collapses. Without the "invisible hand" guiding the market to the best possible solutions, the libertarian political agenda of eliminating government programs, safeguards and watchdog agencies falls apart.
I guess that's why you aren't one of us.
I don't think that "invisible hand" has been work'n too well lately.
It's been b**ch slap'n us around quite a bit.

BTW, I don't favor eliminating all gov programs & safeguards (a common myth about us).
Some are needed, & could serve us better than they do.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:28 PM
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It's hard for the invisible hand to work when there is always a government hand out there. Usually an open hand with a list of promises.
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It's hard for the invisible hand to work when there is always a government hand out there. Usually an open hand with a list of promises.
What makes you think the Invisible hand would be that efficient? Big Businesses have already proven that they're willing to commit practically every injustice possible when given the chance. Cartels would have nothing to fear. The mafia would grow exponentially. There would simply be nothing to stop an even worse form of economic oppression and resource control short of a Divine Act.

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I don't think that "invisible hand" has been work'n too well lately.
It's been b**ch slap'n us around quite a bit.
The "Invisible hand" is not a benevolent do-gooder, it wants to squeeze every bit it can out of whatever and whoever it can and find ways to avoid responsibility and consequences for its actions . That's why the people have to have a bigger hand to ***** slap it before they get ***** slapped. The problem is regulating the regulations, and regulating those regulations of the regulations so that they're not rigged in a way which cripple the average producer for the interest of the big boys who want their "Small town" competition crippled.
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What makes you think the Invisible hand would be that efficient? Big Businesses have already proven that they're willing to commit practically every injustice possible when given the chance. Cartels would have nothing to fear. The mafia would grow exponentially. There would simply be nothing to stop an even worse form of economic oppression and resource control short of a Divine Act.
I prefer that my invisible hands.....
- Prevent monopolies
- Standardize contract law
- Regulate environmental quality
- Ensure truth in advertising....& electioneering
- A few other thingies which advance liberty, but without micromanaging or subsidizing us

Hmmm......these hands should be visible. We need to watch them carefully.
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What makes you think the Invisible hand would be that efficient? Big Businesses have already proven that they're willing to commit practically every injustice possible when given the chance. Cartels would have nothing to fear. The mafia would grow exponentially. There would simply be nothing to stop an even worse form of economic oppression and resource control short of a Divine Act.

The "Invisible hand" is not a benevolent do-gooder, it wants to squeeze every bit it can out of whatever and whoever it can. That's why the people have to have a bigger hand to ***** slap it before they get ***** slapped. The problem is regulating the regulations, and regulating those regulations of the regulations so that they're not rigged in a way which cripple the average producer for the interest of the big boys who want their "Small town" competition crippled.
Liberty in the free market also includes vigilance for unfair, monopolistic practices.

Also, how do you figure that decriminalizing drugs is going to make cartels/mafia/etc. grow?
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