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Old 12-16-2010, 08:02 AM
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You're pretty good at perceiving faults in others while ignoring your own real ones, aren't you?

What I know is that I asked you a question, and you refused to answer. There is no good reason for you to refuse. Your answer wouldn't be insulting to any poster nor would it be bad form. The only possible reason, then, that you wouldn't provide support for your assertion is that either you don't have any or you don't want us to show why your example is wrong, and therefore you don't have support for your assertion.

What I'm interested in is having people who make wild claims support them or learn not to make them in the future. And I really have to wonder where you get the accusation of "name-calling". I thought it was you using terms like "dishonest smurf" (although you spelled the last word incorrectly).

And I'm not inventing quotes. You said one thing that you want to be taken a certain way. I pointed out that it's really just a dishonest way of saying something else, which we all can see.

So, you have three options. Either retract your incorrect statement that started all of this, support it, or run along with your tail between your legs after being called out by me again. But if you continue to pretend that what you did wasn't dishonest and try to deflect blame by calling me out on things that only you would believe are happening, you only make yourself look worse.
You forgot option #4.
I'll pay less attention to abusive gits.
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You forgot option #4.
I'll pay less attention to abusive gits.
Actually, that would be option 3. Run along now.
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Does that actually happen? Everything is possible, I suppose, but I have a hard time believing such a scenario to be real.
Yes it is real Luis. Family farms many times must be sold to pay the "estate tax".
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Out of curiosity, at what level of wealth is that expected to happen?
Many family farms have hundreds of acres. To support one cow, you would need several acres of land. A herd of 200 cattle could need a 500 acre farm which could be appraised at over 10,000 per acre. That would be 5 million dollars for instance.

The income from a farm like this could be as low as 100,000 a year and that would have to support several families, perhaps two brothers and their parents. That would be 33,000 per household. Even if you double this example, their "estate tax" would be 2.75 million. Yes these people on paper are millionaires, but their life style and income would not reflect this.

Their attitude is, they work the land not own it. They are the stewards of the land till they pass the family farm down to the next generation. They hardly live a luxurious lifestyle.
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Ownership of farms beyond a certain size is certainly not an inherent right of, well, anyone. Wealth is not a personal right. It is a privilege.
A family who has worked hard every day for generations who pay their property tax, income tax, social security, state tax, local tax, sales tax and barely get by would hardly agree with you that their farm is a privilege. Their great great grandfather cleared the land before the government even existed. They fought Indians, dealt with dishonest bankers, endured harsh weather and faced poverty to keep those farms.

It's not a privilege to keep their land, the government is privileged to have collected all the taxes they paid for hundreds of years.
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Ironically, this is one of the better defenses of socialism that I've heard in awhile. See, what the pure capitalists do not get is that it ain't the poor stealing from the rich, but the other way around. The foreclosure crisis? Who profited off of that? How about credit default swaps? And the bank bailout? The current tax deal before Congress? If you think that any single one of those are "class warfare" of the poor against the rich, you seriously need to rethink all this.


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Do I seriously need to post links to any of the many, many stories of hard-working people, and those who have been laid off, who have struggled to put food on the table? Are you putting the burden on those who have been hurt the most by the recklessness and greed of a very few people near the top? What do you not get about NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN?!

Rick why do economic conservatives continue to have no soul? Why do they treat these issues as if people's suffering is something that they deserved and not to even be softened? I'm not asking for complete equality across the board. I just want Americans to be able to have a bite to eat! What kind of a nation are we if that is even a question, let alone intentionally not done?
No soul you say? That is why I provide to a local food bank. These folks get food stamps, but are unable to budget them correctly all month. Our food bank gives to all that ask. We go through alot of food the last week of the month. Some folks are unable to even come to the food bank. We have a program called "backpacks for kids" We pass them out at school.

People are not having trouble finding food, they are spending their food money on non necessities IMHO. I support a battered women's shelter as well. Another project of mine is helping folks with their electric bills during Winter.

What kind of a Nation are we? I say we are kind and generous to a fault.

Americans don't need more help, look at Haiti, those people need help.
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is because of cheap fast food?
This is my point, if you are truly poor, why are you eating out? Food stamps are not redeemable at McDonalds. Spending money on fast food is wasteful when you can prepare a better meal at home cheaper. Another issue is, why are you out and about at McDonalds when you are so poor? People who "cannot afford to feed themselves" are wasting gasoline in a drive thru.


I'm sorry, no one in America is starving to death.
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