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Yes because we (or at least me) don't believe there is a higher power, thus there is no one to control us other than ourselves.
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Yes because we (or at least me) don't believe there is a higher power, thus there is no one to control us other than ourselves.
You can have no free will without a higher power... The whole cause and effect thing!
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I feel like having some donuts right now.

Is that free-will? Or is having "craving" for donuts was pre-ordained or fate?

I think I will have my donuts later........It's a little early.

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Atheists can believe whatever they want. We just dont believe in an invisable man who created the universe and cares whether or not we follow his rules which we're told to blindly accept.

Some would argue for determinism through scientific evidence. I neither accept nor refute this belief. I dont like to believe it. I like to believe in free will but I dont have any evidence to back that up so I cant say for sure.
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Atheists can believe whatever they want. We just dont believe in an invisable man who created the universe and cares whether or not we follow his rules which we're told to blindly accept.
ahh.... you can believe in whatever you want, you just can't believe in whatever.

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Some would argue for determinism through scientific evidence. I neither accept nor refute this belief. I dont like to believe it. I like to believe in free will but I dont have any evidence to back that up so I cant say for sure.
Determinism doesn't contradict free will. That both are facts should indicate to the good scientist that one or the other is misunderstood.
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Determinism doesn't contradict free will. That both are facts ...
Finally! After centuries of discourse by the most brilliant minds in philosophy and theology (and, more recently, neuroscience), we've finally found someone who can claim compatibilism as fact. And by a self-proclaimed agnostic no less.
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Finally! After centuries of discourse by the most brilliant minds in philosophy and theology (and, more recently, neuroscience), we've finally found someone who can claim compatibilism as fact. And by a self-proclaimed agnostic no less.
The "most brilliant minds in philosophy and theology" have their own world views (and are welcome to it).

My statement has a philosophical basis, too: Divination 101. Needless to say, it is a philosophical basis that has been adamantly opposed and rejected over the millennia. It also requires a particular understanding of the subject/object divide, which I've found to also be adamantly opposed on occasion.
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It also requires a particular understanding ...
No doubt!
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No doubt!
My point, exactly.
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Do Atheists believe in free-will?
Why or why not?
I personally believe in a limited kind of free will (though more than just compatibilism) for various philosophical reasons, mainly involving agent-causality and emergent properties.


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