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Old 10-18-2006, 10:01 PM
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I want to believe in free will but I'm determined not to.
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Old 10-18-2006, 10:11 PM
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It is up to each person to decide what they choose to believe in.
Free will, like other things, is believed in different extremities, there is no black and white. I believe there are many things which affect us, causing a great pain in determining whether we really ever make decisions without someone else's influence.

Free will is a must to believe in, because without the simple belief in it, no one would ever take responsibility for their own actions.
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Old 10-18-2006, 10:18 PM
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It is up to each person to decide what they choose to believe in.
Free will, like other things, is believed in different extremities, there is no black and white. I believe there are many things which affect us, causing a great pain in determining whether we really ever make decisions without someone else's influence.

Free will is a must to believe in, because without the simple belief in it, no one would ever take responsibility for their own actions.
I expect the behaviorists would disagree with you.
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Old 10-19-2006, 03:35 AM
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Free will is a must to believe in, because without the simple belief in it, no one would ever take responsibility for their own actions.
Wrong. Personally I don't believe in Free will, yet I do feel free will.

When I raise my arm because I want to, I do have the feeling of free will. Yet I also think that that it is all purelly reflected on all other events.

In fact, I think that right now some people would want to raise their arm just to see that they are right

On the side note, if I kick you between the legs, you'll kick me back, If I do so again, you would do it harder.. It wouldn't take long before I decide it's better to stop kicking you
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What I was thinking when I asked the question is- on one hand, it seems like free-will is fundamental to atheism. On the other hand, the scientific principle of cause and effect is widely accepted by atheists.

So if every action or entity has a cause or origin, then even ideas and volition must be the effect of a particular cause. If that is true, one's will is not really free; it is bound by the forces of nature. In other words, human will is equally as free as that of inanimate objects moving through outer-space (under that line of reasoning). They will not change course unless they are made to do so by something outside of themselves.

One could simply not believe in the principal of cause and effect, or...
Maybe I'm missing something.
I'm curious why you think free will is fundamental to atheism? It seems to me that belief in free will is no more fundamental to atheism than is belief that organges contain vitamin C. So, could you explain to me please how belief in free will is fundamental to atheism?
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I'm curious why you think free will is fundamental to atheism? It seems to me that belief in free will is no more fundamental to atheism than is belief that organges contain vitamin C. So, could you explain to me please how belief in free will is fundamental to atheism?
Perhaps you're right.
I am very likely imposing my biases onto my understanding of Atheism.

It seems like the subject of free will is pretty perplexing from any theological perspective.

Of course I'm free! See? I'm typing whatever I feel like typing here! Ha! But how is this possible? I know that this typing is really the logical effect of a long string of causes. In fact, even my speculation on this subject it the result of a lot of causes out of my control. Isn't it? Where does freedom enter into this? I think I'm free, but how can I think so?
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I think Jaiket was right. Asking any question of "atheists" that is not "do you believe in God/s?" will have no particular answer that applies to "atheists."

Atheists are not a coherent group. "Atheism" describes a position they hold on a single idea and nothing more. It really tells you nothing and certainly presribes nothing about what a person does believe in.

For myself, I believe free will is a good thing to believe in.
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I believe in free will to a point...

If there were no laws then there would be many more crimes against other people (note not like tax evasion) so this leads me to believe that to a point there is some choice in the actions people do make.

Kinda like the nature vs nurture debate... A little of both =)
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