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God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit..."I and my Father are one...The Lord possesed me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old, I was set up from everlasting. When He prepared the heavens I was there...I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him" Proverbs 8:22-30 Jesus declared this Himself...as He also spoke of the third person as "the Spirit of Truth", "the Comforter" ...the bible never says anything such as the word trinity but it is refered to throughout the Bible...Jesus was with the Father before the world was made...which can only mean God knew the time would come in His creation that sin would abound to the point that it would take devine intervention to save us from the lake of fire in the final judgment of us all.

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God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit..."I and my Father are one...The Lord possesed me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old, I was set up from everlasting. When He prepared the heavens I was there...I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him" Proverbs 8:22-30 Jesus declared this Himself...as He also spoke of the third person as "the Spirit of Truth", "the Comforter" ...the bible never says anything such as the word trinity but it is refered to throughout the Bible...Jesus was with the Father before the world was made...which can only mean God knew the time would come in His creation that sin would abound to the point that it would take devine intervention to save us from the lake of fire in the final judgment of us all.

What do YOU take away from this?
I believe in the Trinity, very much. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit...three separate manifestations of God...all ONE God.

I do believe that Jesus Christ WAS and ALWAYS Has been God's intent for our salvation.
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God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit..."I and my Father are one...The Lord possesed me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old, I was set up from everlasting. When He prepared the heavens I was there...I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him" Proverbs 8:22-30 Jesus declared this Himself...as He also spoke of the third person as "the Spirit of Truth", "the Comforter" ...the bible never says anything such as the word trinity but it is refered to throughout the Bible...Jesus was with the Father before the world was made...which can only mean God knew the time would come in His creation that sin would abound to the point that it would take devine intervention to save us from the lake of fire in the final judgment of us all.

What do YOU take away from this?
I will start by saying that I believe in the trinity.

But I do not think that the Proverbs 8 passage above is very good evidence of it. There are two reaons why I say this:

1. Those verses are talking about wisdom (Proverbs 8:12). This section of the Bible is poetic in nature and is personifying wisdom itself. It is talking about the wisdom of God and how he established wisdom from the beginning.

2. Even if you did want to try to stretch these verses into an application to Jesus, it really doesn't support the belief of the trinity at all. If Jesus were the same as God the Father, it would necessarily follow that Jesus were there with God, as a part of God, not created by God sometime later as the text suggests (vv. 22-25).

That's what I take away from this anyway...
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Even if a verse read crystal clear is open to another intrepretation. The trinity would still remain somewhat mysterious.The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (cf. John 8:58, 10:38, 14:10; Col. 2:9). It also clearly teaches that the Holy Spirit is God (cf. Acts 5:3–4, 28:25–28; 1 Cor. 2:10–13). Everyone agrees the Father is God. Yet there is only one God (Mark 12:29, 1 Cor. 8:4–6, Jas. 2:19). How can we hold all four truths except by saying all three are somehow the one God?

On top of that, the language of the Trinity was developed by the Church Fathers. Around the year 181, Theophilus of Antioch expressly used the Greek word trias (trinitas in Latin, trinity in English): "the Trinity: God [the Father], his Word, and his Wisdom" [To Autolycus 2:15]. About twenty years later, Tertullian used the Latin trinitas: "The Unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the three are Father, Son, and Spirit" [Against Praxes 2:4].
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I believe in the Godhead, which has the Father, Son and Holy Ghost all being devine, and being united in purpose and intent, but not physically. After all, the Son was with the Father in the beginning.
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I believe in the Godhead, which has the Father, Son and Holy Ghost all being devine, and being united in purpose and intent, but not physically. After all, the Son was with the Father in the beginning.
Interesting. Everyone in my church (including myself) believes in what we call the Godhead, but what that is is basically the Trinity. So i've always thought the two names were for the same thing. Has anyone else seen that?
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Interesting. Everyone in my church (including myself) believes in what we call the Godhead, but what that is is basically the Trinity. So i've always thought the two names were for the same thing. Has anyone else seen that?
I contend that it is for the same thing. And always has been. The Godhead never meant 3 seperate beings.
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I contend that it is for the same thing. And always has been. The Godhead never meant 3 seperate beings.
except before the council of N. right?
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except before the council of N. right?
Even before that.
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I will start by saying that I believe in the trinity.

But I do not think that the Proverbs 8 passage above is very good evidence of it. There are two reaons why I say this:

1. Those verses are talking about wisdom (Proverbs 8:12). This section of the Bible is poetic in nature and is personifying wisdom itself. It is talking about the wisdom of God and how he established wisdom from the beginning.

2. Even if you did want to try to stretch these verses into an application to Jesus, it really doesn't support the belief of the trinity at all. If Jesus were the same as God the Father, it would necessarily follow that Jesus were there with God, as a part of God, not created by God sometime later as the text suggests (vv. 22-25).

That's what I take away from this anyway...
But do you not agree that pointing to the fact the Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning of it all that it means that the 3 are one given we all have a spirit? I'm not necessarily trying to prove the Godhead just th