Strangely, I am a Christian of sorts (Jesus, Earth, Kingdom)

IndigoChild · #1 08-04-2005, 09:44 PM

I'm beginning to think I'm a liberal Christo-Pagan, because though I am a New Age Pagan, I believe that Jesus's philosophy was so right and is so misunderstood. Jesus was the original hippy, he would have been a liberal (probably a member of the Green party, if any party), for he was a leader in the struggle for our souls' civil rights. He wanted the truth to be known about Who We Are, and it is so sad that power-hungry politicians took advantage of peoples' illiteracy to edit the Bible for their own personal gain, the best example being King James's slice-and-dice re-writing of the Bible to justify his extensive witch hunts, changing phrases like "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live" to "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

Jesus was a rebel, a freedom fighter for the souls of mankind from the idea of an opressive and evil God.

If Jesus was alive today, he would explain his message thusly: "When I said that I and the Father are One and that you are all my siblings, I meant that we are ALL one with God. God and us are One Being, pretending to be Many."

And

"When I said, 'Let me be the light and the way,' I didn't mean that believing in me as your lord and savior was the answer... I meant I want you to EMULATE ME, if you think you cannot come to my peace on your own, and if you have a hard time believing that we are all One. Live as I lived... not the details, either, just the essence: live in oneness and unity and peace will be yours. The Kingdom of God is YOUR kingdom, it is OUR kingdom, because WE ARE GOD. Heaven is NOW HERE."

If Jesus forgave the criminals hanging beside him, and the people who hung him by his WRISTS from the cross with ROPE, then why should we not forgive as well? Christians are fond of saying, "Judge not, lest ye be judged," but they don't seem to know what it really means. Jesus, if he were alive today, would no doubt explain it like this:

"When I said, 'Judge not, lest ye be judged,' I meant that other humans might judge you. God does not judge, so why should you? Make decisions, yes, but judge not. Condemn not. For all attack is a cry for help, and all your fear and hatred and prejudice of those who you would call perverted or who are of another race, is just based in ignorance and lack of understanding. Get to learn that all people are humans just like you. Even if you do not believe the truth of our Oneness literally, know that what helps another helps you (just as what helps you helps another), for what helps one human helps the whole species."

I think, if we adopted this policy, that our ideas about what helps us would be broadened, and we could stop hurting the earth. Because what I don't understand is why suicide is considered a blasphemy to God, but smoking one's self to death is not. Why is killing another for one's personal reasons a sin, but killing in the name of God or in a war is not? I would think, logically, that killing in the name of God would be the ultimate blasphemy. And why is it a sin to use contraceptives or have anal sex, but it isn't considered a sin to pollute? Isn't mistreatment of the Earth a defilement of God's creation and, therefore, a blasphemy?

Kat

Green Gaia · #2 08-05-2005, 08:52 AM

You sound like many UUs I know.

Terrywoodenpic · #3 08-05-2005, 08:56 AM

I could agree with a lot of that

Terry
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Mike182 · #4 08-05-2005, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by IndigoChild

I'm beginning to think I'm a liberal Christo-Pagan, because though I am a New Age Pagan, I believe that Jesus's philosophy was so right and is so misunderstood. Jesus was the original hippy, he would have been a liberal (probably a member of the Green party, if any party), for he was a leader in the struggle for our souls' civil rights. He wanted the truth to be known about Who We Are, and it is so sad that power-hungry politicians took advantage of peoples' illiteracy to edit the Bible for their own personal gain, the best example being King James's slice-and-dice re-writing of the Bible to justify his extensive witch hunts, changing phrases like "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live" to "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

Jesus was a rebel, a freedom fighter for the souls of mankind from the idea of an opressive and evil God.

If Jesus was alive today, he would explain his message thusly: "When I said that I and the Father are One and that you are all my siblings, I meant that we are ALL one with God. God and us are One Being, pretending to be Many."

And

"When I said, 'Let me be the light and the way,' I didn't mean that believing in me as your lord and savior was the answer... I meant I want you to EMULATE ME, if you think you cannot come to my peace on your own, and if you have a hard time believing that we are all One. Live as I lived... not the details, either, just the essence: live in oneness and unity and peace will be yours. The Kingdom of God is YOUR kingdom, it is OUR kingdom, because WE ARE GOD. Heaven is NOW HERE."

If Jesus forgave the criminals hanging beside him, and the people who hung him by his WRISTS from the cross with ROPE, then why should we not forgive as well? Christians are fond of saying, "Judge not, lest ye be judged," but they don't seem to know what it really means. Jesus, if he were alive today, would no doubt explain it like this:

"When I said, 'Judge not, lest ye be judged,' I meant that other humans might judge you. God does not judge, so why should you? Make decisions, yes, but judge not. Condemn not. For all attack is a cry for help, and all your fear and hatred and prejudice of those who you would call perverted or who are of another race, is just based in ignorance and lack of understanding. Get to learn that all people are humans just like you. Even if you do not believe the truth of our Oneness literally, know that what helps another helps you (just as what helps you helps another), for what helps one human helps the whole species."

I think, if we adopted this policy, that our ideas about what helps us would be broadened, and we could stop hurting the earth. Because what I don't understand is why suicide is considered a blasphemy to God, but smoking one's self to death is not. Why is killing another for one's personal reasons a sin, but killing in the name of God or in a war is not? I would think, logically, that killing in the name of God would be the ultimate blasphemy. And why is it a sin to use contraceptives or have anal sex, but it isn't considered a sin to pollute? Isn't mistreatment of the Earth a defilement of God's creation and, therefore, a blasphemy?

Kat

i used to be pagan, but now i follow christ

i still keep some old ways though, like my dress sence, and i still do tarot for meditation purposes, i still like the incence aswell

in fact, most people who see me think i am still pagan

anyway, follow your heart and you can not go wrong

wishing you well in your journey, and i hope your soul is fulfilled by the knowledges you aquire

C_P

may · #5 08-05-2005, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by IndigoChild

I'm beginning to think I'm a liberal Christo-Pagan, because though I am a New Age Pagan, I believe that Jesus's philosophy was so right and is so misunderstood. Jesus was the original hippy, he would have been a liberal (probably a member of the Green party, if any party), for he was a leader in the struggle for our souls' civil rights. He wanted the truth to be known about Who We Are, and it is so sad that power-hungry politicians took advantage of peoples' illiteracy to edit the Bible for their own personal gain, the best example being King James's slice-and-dice re-writing of the Bible to justify his extensive witch hunts, changing phrases like "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live" to "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

Jesus was a rebel, a freedom fighter for the souls of mankind from the idea of an opressive and evil God.

If Jesus was alive today, he would explain his message thusly: "When I said that I and the Father are One and that you are all my siblings, I meant that we are ALL one with God. God and us are One Being, pretending to be Many."

And

"When I said, 'Let me be the light and the way,' I didn't mean that believing in me as your lord and savior was the answer... I meant I want you to EMULATE ME, if you think you cannot come to my peace on your own, and if you have a hard time believing that we are all One. Live as I lived... not the details, either, just the essence: live in oneness and unity and peace will be yours. The Kingdom of God is YOUR kingdom, it is OUR kingdom, because WE ARE GOD. Heaven is NOW HERE."

If Jesus forgave the criminals hanging beside him, and the people who hung him by his WRISTS from the cross with ROPE, then why should we not forgive as well? Christians are fond of saying, "Judge not, lest ye be judged," but they don't seem to know what it really means. Jesus, if he were alive today, would no doubt explain it like this:

"When I said, 'Judge not, lest ye be judged,' I meant that other humans might judge you. God does not judge, so why should you? Make decisions, yes, but judge not. Condemn not. For all attack is a cry for help, and all your fear and hatred and prejudice of those who you would call perverted or who are of another race, is just based in ignorance and lack of understanding. Get to learn that all people are humans just like you. Even if you do not believe the truth of our Oneness literally, know that what helps another helps you (just as what helps you helps another), for what helps one human helps the whole species."

I think, if we adopted this policy, that our ideas about what helps us would be broadened, and we could stop hurting the earth. Because what I don't understand is why suicide is considered a blasphemy to God, but smoking one's self to death is not. Why is killing another for one's personal reasons a sin, but killing in the name of God or in a war is not? I would think, logically, that killing in the name of God would be the ultimate blasphemy. And why is it a sin to use contraceptives or have anal sex, but it isn't considered a sin to pollute? Isn't mistreatment of the Earth a defilement of God's creation and, therefore, a blasphemy?

Kat

yes iagree with some of the things you say ,and i think that you are so right when you say that killing in the name of God is ultimate blashemy, also that the earth is being ruined must make Gods heart so sad.but Gods word the bible tells us that God is going to bring those ruining the earth to ruin....revelation 11;18and he will put things right on the earth
Just as a landlord ejects a destructive tenant, so God will "eject" those who ruin his beautiful creation, the earth.

The Bible says As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth ,and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it." (Proverbs 2:22) This coming divine action the Bible calls Armageddon. (Revelation 16:16) Jesus also called it great tribulation such as has not occurred since the worlds beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." (Matthew 24:21) It will be even greater than the Flood. but no worries it will only be the wicked

Mike182 · #6 08-05-2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by may

It will be even greater than the Flood. but no worries it will only be the wicked

YAY, lifeboats for the good guys

DreamQuickBook · #7 08-05-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Maize

You sound like many UUs I know.

Yes. I would agree. She doesn't sound pagan at all, but very much like most of the UUs I know.

IndigoChild · #8 08-05-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Maize

You sound like many UUs I know.

I used to attend a UU church, back when I lived near one, so thank you!

Kat

IndigoChild · #9 08-05-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by corrupt_preist

i used to be pagan, but now i follow christ

i still keep some old ways though, like my dress sence, and i still do tarot for meditation purposes, i still like the incence aswell

in fact, most people who see me think i am still pagan

anyway, follow your heart and you can not go wrong

wishing you well in your journey, and i hope your soul is fulfilled by the knowledges you aquire

C_P

You sound pretty cool. I like liberal Christians a lot, especially since when the fundies arrive I can point at liberal Christians and say, "See? You don't have to change your beliefs, just expand on them. Christianity has done so in the past, to keep up with the expansion of knowledge, why can't you do it now? There's nothing to fear."

One thing I've been wondering lately about the fundamentalists is this: if humans were cast into sin for eating of the tree of knowledge, then why isn't it a sin to assume you have all the answers? Wouldn't it be a bit prideful of a Christian to claim to have all the answers? Or any answer about God at all?

Kat

IndigoChild · #10 08-05-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by may

yes iagree with some of the things you say ,and i think that you are so right when you say that killing in the name of God is ultimate blashemy, also that the earth is being ruined must make Gods heart so sad.but Gods word the bible tells us that God is going to bring those ruining the earth to ruin....revelation 11;18and he will put things right on the earth
Just as a landlord ejects a destructive tenant, so God will "eject" those who ruin his beautiful creation, the earth.

Sort of reminds me of something one of the Conversations With God books said. "Tomorrow's God," to be exact. It said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that either humans have to change how they treat the Earth or Life on Earth is going to adapt itself to the mistreatment, and we may not like the consequences if such were to happen. So either we shape up or Life will make us ship out.

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Originally Posted by may

The Bible says As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth ,and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it." (Proverbs 2:22) This coming divine action the Bible calls Armageddon. (Revelation 16:16) Jesus also called it great tribulation such as has not occurred since the worlds beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." (Matthew 24:21) It will be even greater than the Flood. but no worries it will only be the wicked

I believe in a massive flood that inspired the biblical one, though I doubt it covered the whole world. But there is scientific evidence that the Flood was based on a grain of truth. Also, there's evidence of the Ark being real too, though I'm sure it wasn't quite what it was thought to be. Maybe it had pieces of a radioactive meterorite in it or something.

Anyway, I don't believe in, say, the "Tim LaHaye" version of an apocalpse, but maybe those lines you quoted are saying the same thing that "Tomorrow's God" was saying, only more dramatically.

Kat