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Old 03-23-2005, 06:55 PM
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And I agree . However one has to wonder just how much these symbols influence our thinking , even to the point of how we think . Or at the very lest , how we combine these symbols with other symbols that make up our thoughts .

For excample , words are just symbols , each having some meaning relating it to something . Most of us think in words . So those symbols { words } have an effect upon everything we think about . We descride whatever we are thinking about in colours , shapes , sizes , etc . If we know it well enough , we have already given it's own symbol , in the form of a name , so we think of it as that name .

But I agree . At some point we do tend to go our own way , because of individualism , personal experiences { which makes us individuals , or one of the things that do } , or for whatever reason . Chaos and Order , combined .
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It does influence us in a huge way , we are after all intuitive people and we agree with this symbols because we can "feel" it . As the holism says that evewrything goes from universal to particular , we have to think how much of holism theory can we realise in practice . Holism theory dependes on the society in wich is applied . If you live in a society based on commun interaction , where most people have commun rules , than we can say that it goes from universal to particular , but if you live in a society based on individuality , then I thing that the individual is the one that make his choices about his values . Even if holism goes with generality ( the same colour applied to everyone), I think that it underlines very well the world`s relativism .
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This looks interesting. I just want to be sure I know what we're talking about though.

Holism is saying that you have to consider everything to understand anything?

I'm not really clear.

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You kinda lost this old ogre Era . But I do think that I agree , to a degree . Any idea , taken too far seems to start to fell apart , I think . But then , I guess that it could be argued that the reason it fells apart is because one starts to over how other things may effect it ? Or not ?
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Yes , amylong , the principle of holism talks about the understanding of one thing just by analysing every area that you find this thing in , so analyse everything so you can find the answer for just one . Kreeden , what was the thing that got you lost ? In holism nothing is simple , it`s a very complex system and you can find contradiction in every step .
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Yes , amylong , the principle of holism talks about the understanding of one thing just by analysing every area that you find this thing in , so analyse everything so you can find the answer for just one . Kreeden , what was the thing that got you lost ? In holism nothing is simple , it`s a very complex system and you can find contradiction in every step .
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Yes , indeed! Going from universal to individual.
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