The Book of the Hopi (Earth, elders)

[Natural Submission]

This is definately a great and interesting book:

http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2....ID=821776&fp=F

[Feathers in Hair]

It looks fascinating! I'm starting my first all-out studies on various tribes, and this appears to be a wonderful book.

[kreeden]

The little that I know about the Hopi makes them a very interesting People and culture . Quite different then many First Nation People , I think . { but could be wrong **.

Besides , they have ogres .

[Natural Submission]

i have a really good friend that is a Hopi. He doesn't live in the actual tribe, but he visits frequently. We are planning a trip to visit the elders in May, that should be really cool. i'll have to let everyone know how it goes. Hopefully we can visit the "Spirit World"

[Feathers in Hair]

I look forward to hearing about it! (Although, if you'd like, you can visit the Spirit World without assistance from the elders! That is, unless they have a different version of the Spirit World than I'm familiar with.)

[Natural Submission]

Ahhhh, now were getting into the good stuff haha (Private Message me if you have any suggestions )

i forgot to mention, i am also reading a book called "The Hopi Survival Kit". It deals with the Prophecies, Instructions, and Warnings revealed by the last elders. Really cool.

[kreeden]

A little different I believe Feathers . From the little that I know , the Hopi believe that they came from the Earth , literally from a hole in the Earth . In time , they will return . And that time is laid out in their calendar , as I understand . Anyway , the Spirits , called Katsina , also come from that place within the Earth . They do have some animal Spirits , like Eagle Woman , but most are something else . They have " ogre " Spirits too .

And that is about all that I can tell you . And I'm not sure how accurate that is .

[kreeden]

Ah , Natural Submission , I have read that the Hopi are a very secertive people . You may want to check out what they say about Mails' book .

http://www.hopi.nsn.us/view_article.asp?id=20&cat=1

[Natural Submission]

Wow, i never had any idea, thanks for the post, i'll look into it.

[Feathers in Hair]

Very interesting, Kreeden! (I look forward to learning about the ogres!)

A good site explaining the shamanic tradition of journey to the spirit world can be found here (http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/Shamans.htm). Many shamans/ people who journey there do not use hallucinagenic methods to journey. More prevelant are using drums to produce a trance- like state, or simply willing yourself there. I will PM you with my own journey, which involved drums.