Religious Education Forum  

Welcome to Religious Forums
Welcome Guest to ReligiousForums.com . You are currently not registered. When you become registered you will be able to interact with our large base of already registered users discussing topics. Some annoying Ads will also disappear when you register. Registering doesn't cost a thing and only takes a few seconds. We provide areas to chat and debate all World Religions. Please go to our register page!

Home Who's Online Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   Religious Education Forum / Discuss Individual Religions / Indigenous Religions and Mythologies / Native American
Sitemap Popular RF Forums REGISTER Search Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-16-2005, 06:16 AM
Green Gaia's Avatar
Green Gaia Offline
Religion: Unitarian Universalist
Title:Lesbian SuperHero
Ambassador Award: Award designated for members who show great knowledge of their religion. - Issue reason: This ambassador award has been given to you by the award committee and is well deserved. Above and Beyond Award:  - Issue reason: This award has been given to you by your peers and is well deserved. Courtesy Award:  - Issue reason: This award has been given to you by your peers and is well deserved. Member of the Month Award:  - Issue reason:  Journal Award:  - Issue reason:  Article Award:  - Issue reason:  Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Queerville
Gender: Female
Posts: 18,002
Frubals: 609337
Green Gaia thinks frubals grow on trees
Green Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on trees
Green Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on trees
Default The Ghost Dance

The Ghost Dance, also known as the Ghost Dance of 1890, as noted in historical accounts, was a short-lived millennialistic spiritual movement among Native Americans that began toward the end of 1888 and peaked at just before Wounded Knee in 1890; although the religion is still practiced.

History

The movement began with a dream by a Northern Paiute named Wovoka, also known as Jack Wilson, during the time of the solar eclipse on January 1, 1889. In his dream he was taken into the spirit world and shown a new earth. In his dream, the Indians were taken up and the land destroyed and restored to its natural state. The Indians, along with their dead loved ones, were put back upon the earth to live in peace. Wovoka was shown that by dancing the round-dance continuously, the vision would become reality and the participants would enjoy the new earth.

Wovoka's teachings followed a previous Paiute tradition predicting an Indian renaissance. Wovoka's message varied somewhat and contained much Christian doctrine. He told his followers that since Jesus was upon the earth already, they should dance the new dance and that, although he did not know if the resurrection would be in the winter or the spring, it would be soon. He also told them to remain peaceful and keep the reason for the dance secret from the white-men.

Wovoka's message quickly spread to many other tribes and soon many of them had given up all activity but the dance. The Indian agents grew disturbed when they became aware of so many Indians from so many tribes coming together and participating in a new and unknown event.

When the dance spread to the Sioux, the Indian agents became very alarmed. The Sioux developed a militaristic approach to the dance and began making ghost shirts they said would protect them from bullets. They also spoke openly about why they were dancing. The Sioux Indian agent eventually sent the Indian police to arrest Sitting Bull, a leader respected among the Sioux, to force him to stop the dance. In the struggle that followed, Sitting Bull was killed along with a number of policemen. A small detachment of cavalry eventually rescued the remaining policemen. Following the killing of Sitting Bull, the United States sent the Seventh Cavalry to disarm the Sioux and take control. During the events that followed many Sioux were killed and several soldiers died.

When it became apparent that ghost shirts did not protect from bullets and the expected resurrection did not happen, most former believers quit the Ghost Dance. Wovoka, disturbed by the death threats and disappointed with the many reinterpretations of his vision, gave up his public speaking. He remained well respected among his many followers however, and continued his religious activities. He traveled and received visitors until the end of his life in 1932. The Ghost Dance religion is still practiced today.

Paiute foundational traditions

The Paiute tradition that lead to the Natdia (Ghost Dance) began in the 1870 in the Western Great Basin from the visions of Wodziwob (Gray Hair) concerning earth renewal and the reintroduction of the spirits of ancient Numu (Northern Paiute) ancestors into the contemporary day to help the Numu.

This movement continued with additional revelation to a Paiute known as Wovoka (Woodcutter) during a solar eclipse. Central to the Natdia religion was the dance itself—dancing in a circular pattern continuously—which induced altered spiritual states.

Practices and principles

The dance as envisioned by Wovoka; "When you get home you must make a dance to continue five days. Dance four successive nights, and the last night keep up the dance until the morning of the fifth day, when all must bathe in the river and then disperse to their homes. You must all do in the same way. ...I want you to dance every six weeks. Make a feast at the dance and have food that everybody may eat." He also told the dancers to remain peaceful, work for the white-man, be truthful, and abstain from alcohol.

The Natdia, it is claimed, brings about renewal of native society and decline in the influence of the white man. In essence, it is said to heal the earth and to heal all the people of the four worlds, that is, red, black, white, and yellow.

Believers in the Ghost Dance spirituality are convinced that performing the Ghost Dance will eventually reunite them with their ancestors coming by railway from the spirit world. The ancestor spirits, including the Spirit of Jesus, are called upon to heal the sick and to help protect Mother Earth. Meanwhile, the world will return to a primordial state of natural beauty, opening up to swallow up all other people (those who do not have a strong spirituality based upon the earth). The performers of the Ghost Dance theoretically will float in safety above with their ancestors, family, and peoples of the world who follow the extensive spirituality.

References
  • Bailey, Paul. Wovoka, the Indian Messiah. Westernlore Press; Los Angeles, 1957.
  • Du Bois, Cora. The 1870 Ghost Dance. University of California Press; Berkeley, 1939.
  • Osterreich, Shelley Anne. The American Indian Ghost Dance, 1870 and 1890. Greenwood Press; New York, 1991.

http://en.wikipedia.org
__________________
Come return to your place in the pews,
And hear our heretical views:
You were not born in sin
So lift up your chin,
You have only your dogmas to lose.

~Leonard Mason, UU Minister


Last edited by Maize; 02-17-2005 at 06:04 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-16-2005, 03:04 PM
kreeden's Avatar
kreeden Offline
Religion: Ogre
Title:Virus of the Mind
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: CDN
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,647
Frubals: 36959
kreeden has much to be proud of
kreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud of
Default

Black Elk gives a different view of the Ghost Dance .
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-16-2005, 04:26 PM
painted wolf's Avatar
painted wolf Offline
Religion: Native American
Title:Uber Member
Scholarship Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: NH, USA
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,024
Frubals: 377139
painted wolf eats frubals for breakfast
painted wolf eats frubals for breakfast
painted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfastpainted wolf eats frubals for breakfast
Default

The Ghost Dance was never a seperate 'religion' from the rest of native spirituality.
Wovoka was a man with a powerful spiritual message, not a founder of a 'religion' per say.
This is one problem with relying on written sources, mostly written 'white' sources... they saw what was going on through thier eyes, with all the different branches of Christianity anyone who proposed a new idea in our fath was making a 'new religion'.

The Ghost Dance was practiced by many tribes it was one of the first of the new 'pan-indian' movements. Like the Peyote 'church'... however niether movement saught to replace traditional native american spirituality, they added to it. A Ghost Dancer did not stop being Lakota or Apache or Cherokee because they were a Ghost Dancer nor did they stop beliveing in thier previous traditions.

hope this helps.

wa:do
__________________
mispellers of the world 'untie'!
wa:do Cherokee for 'thank you'
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-17-2005, 04:22 AM
kreeden's Avatar
kreeden Offline
Religion: Ogre
Title:Virus of the Mind
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: CDN
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,647
Frubals: 36959
kreeden has much to be proud of
kreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud of
Default

I had not meant to say more then to read what Black Elk had to say . But I'm afriad that I did . Few moments in histroy has such an effect on me as The Ghost Dance and Wounded Knee , the reasons I don't fully understand . Anyway , I have not been am to sleeo since making this post , so I now delete it . Besides , it was getting political ....

Last edited by kreeden; 02-17-2005 at 06:10 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-17-2005, 06:07 AM
Green Gaia's Avatar
Green Gaia Offline
Religion: Unitarian Universalist
Title:Lesbian SuperHero
Ambassador Award: Award designated for members who show great knowledge of their religion. - Issue reason: This ambassador award has been given to you by the award committee and is well deserved. Above and Beyond Award:  - Issue reason: This award has been given to you by your peers and is well deserved. Courtesy Award:  - Issue reason: This award has been given to you by your peers and is well deserved. Member of the Month Award:  - Issue reason:  Journal Award:  - Issue reason:  Article Award:  - Issue reason:  Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Queerville
Gender: Female
Posts: 18,002
Frubals: 609337
Green Gaia thinks frubals grow on trees
Green Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on trees
Green Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on trees
Default

Kreeden, I just finished, Dee Brown's Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee, I'm familiar with the events you mention.
__________________
Come return to your place in the pews,
And hear our heretical views:
You were not born in sin
So lift up your chin,
You have only your dogmas to lose.

~Leonard Mason, UU Minister

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-17-2005, 06:13 AM
kreeden's Avatar
kreeden Offline
Religion: Ogre
Title:Virus of the Mind
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: CDN
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,647
Frubals: 36959
kreeden has much to be proud of
kreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud of
Default

Ooops , not quick enough I'm afraid ...

Maize , as I understand the Ghost Dance , and I may not understand it at all , there was no need for bullet proof shirts , as there would have been no fighting ...
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-17-2005, 06:21 AM
Green Gaia's Avatar
Green Gaia Offline
Religion: Unitarian Universalist
Title:Lesbian SuperHero
Ambassador Award: Award designated for members who show great knowledge of their religion. - Issue reason: This ambassador award has been given to you by the award committee and is well deserved. Above and Beyond Award:  - Issue reason: This award has been given to you by your peers and is well deserved. Courtesy Award:  - Issue reason: This award has been given to you by your peers and is well deserved. Member of the Month Award:  - Issue reason:  Journal Award:  - Issue reason:  Article Award:  - Issue reason:  Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Queerville
Gender: Female
Posts: 18,002
Frubals: 609337
Green Gaia thinks frubals grow on trees
Green Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on trees
Green Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on treesGreen Gaia thinks frubals grow on trees
Default

I guess that's what I'm trying to understand more of, the spirituality of the dance. Wounded Knee is an excellent history book, but didn't go into as much detail as I would have liked to read about the Dance itself.
__________________
Come return to your place in the pews,
And hear our heretical views:
You were not born in sin
So lift up your chin,
You have only your dogmas to lose.

~Leonard Mason, UU Minister

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-17-2005, 02:40 PM
kreeden's Avatar
kreeden Offline
Religion: Ogre
Title:Virus of the Mind
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: CDN
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,647
Frubals: 36959
kreeden has much to be proud of
kreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud of
Default

I would like to know more abou the Dance too . I laid awake untill 6 am last night thinking about it .

Sorry about getting all political there Maize . Truth is , I have never read " Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee " for that very reason . I figure that it was very political . Although I am watching the murder case of Anna Mae Pictou Aquash , more because of local interest as she was Mi'kmaq .
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-18-2005, 03:39 AM
kreeden's Avatar
kreeden Offline
Religion: Ogre
Title:Virus of the Mind
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: CDN
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,647
Frubals: 36959
kreeden has much to be proud of
kreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud ofkreeden has much to be proud of
Default

Here is a link to a copy of Wovoka's message that refers to Jesus ...

http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/reso...ht/gdmessg.htm

I could have been wrong Maize . Hey , it would not be the first time . But it just doesn't " feel " right to me . Yea , I know how fast ideas can spread .... There are so many things about the Dance that I have questions about . Most are unlikely to ever be answered .
Reply With Quote
  #10