White man like locusts: (Darwin, America, zealous, diseases)

[michel]

Originally Posted by EnhancedSpirit

I don't believe this. I believe that whatever seeds were sown then, we are responsible for the harvest. I believe we should be spending more time and energy on what we can do to replenish the land, but instead we are still trying to be seperate from nature.

I have never quite understood the 'sins of our father's'

(Exodus 20:5) - "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"

(Deuteronomy 5:9) - "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"

(Exodus 34:6-7) - "Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations."

Especially with the apparent contradiction:-

(Deuteronomy 24:16) - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."

(Ezekiel 18:20) - "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

[NothingIsNot]

Europeens should of left the Americas alone.

[kreeden]

Michel , me neither . I have enough of my own to live with .

Nothingisnot , and mankind should have stayed in the trees ?

[Seyorni]

Ecological rape is not a white or red thing -- it is a human thing. All humans tend to exploit Nature to the degree their numbers and technology allow. It was not "whites" who wiped out the Pleistocene megafauna, and a band of Native Americans once killed a whole herd of bison and left the carcasses to rot; harvesting only the tongues to sell to whites.

People respect those things that are integral to their economies. Peoples with primitive technologies who live close to Nature tend to have a great respect for and feel protective toward Nature, but when an immediate economic benefit may be realized by contravening these values most people will go for the short-term gain. Long-term planning was of little value among hunter-gatherers so was never hard-wired into our psychology.

[painted wolf]

our elders encouraged us to think seven generations ahead... we planned for the future..
Granted most Native American Nations were farmers not strict hunter-gatherers...
We had to plan ahead as Corn our major crop couldn't be planted sustainably for more than a few years (around seven in fact) in one place as it was hard on the soil....

The lure of short term gain is a classic ill that has brought numerous cultures to thier doom. We need to listen to thier lessons...

*ps- humans wern't the only cause of the Megafauna die off... we did play a role but it was more than just us that killed them off.

wa:do

[Dr. Nosophoros]

I don't really think it is a question of "righting" wrongs, we have gone too far with our policies to "apoligize" which to me is a simple feel good philosophy to allow some to live with themselves or for others to say o.k we did wrong then "but now!" while following the same faulty policies- the beast marches on. There is nothing that can be done about the past, I destroy your ability to get food, I rape your wife, and I turn your children against you what does the "official" apology get you- what if I did the same to you?

[painted wolf]

so far the only policy I know of to 'offically apoligize' is to say no to it....
Has there ever been an 'offical apology' for native american genocide?

There was one for not passing anti-lynching statues when Senate had the chance: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061301720.html
But not slavery itself....

wa:do